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Waterloomike
08-18-2017, 07:58 AM
https://personalliberty.com/even-noam-chomsky-says-antifa-just-bunch-dopes/

Progressive academic Noam Chomsky says the American left ought to be careful attempting to pass the Antifa group off as a noble movement against hate, intolerance and fascism in the U.S.

Antifa, the professor told The Washington Examiner, is not that unlike the white nationalist/Nazi groups they claim to oppose. He added that the fire-with-fire approach the leftist group is using will only serve to increase violence.

From the interview:

The left-wing “Antifa” movement is rising in prominence after clashing with white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., but one progressive scholar says the anti-fascists feed the fire they seek to extinguish.

“As for Antifa, it’s a minuscule fringe of the Left, just as its predecessors were,” Noam Chomsky told the Washington Examiner. “It’s a major gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant.”

Many activists affiliated with the loosely organized Antifa movement consider themselves anarchists or socialists. They often wear black and take measures to conceal their identity.

Chomsky said, “what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive.”

“When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it’s the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is,” said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “That’s quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism.”

Whether he meant to or not, Chomsky’s remarks signal that he is in agreement with President Donald Trump’s condemnation of violent actions and hate coming from “many sides.”

And its a point with which many conservatives agree.

Conservative Sheriff David Clarke denounced Antifa and other leftist movement for being just as dangerous to American civility as white nationalist/Nazi groups in a column for The Hill Thursday:

The very next day after Charlottesville, some were trying to cloak the liberal riot-starters who showed up itching for a confrontation by portraying them as a force for good. But the truth was very different. In reality, extreme leftist movements — be they Antifa or Black Lives Matter — are in the same category as neo-Nazis and white supremacists.

Yes, I said it. These are all fringe hate groups that should be condemned. There are no good guys involved. It’s remarkable that the political left continues to treat Antifa and Black Lives Matter as mainstream movements. It must stop.

Unfortunately, the shrieking mainstream media and political establishments aren’t likely to admit anytime soon that the Antifa playbook is built around the very sort of fascist approach to political discourse the group claims to be fighting against.

Doug_M
08-18-2017, 09:23 AM
Good for him. Now hopefully we'll see his comments printed in MSM news (not holding my breath).

Waterloomike
08-18-2017, 09:48 AM
Good for him. Now hopefully we'll see his comments printed in MSM news (not holding my breath).

antifa is the product of the left's social engineers. For the moment, they are the crowning achievement of the left wing pseudo intellectual thugs.

So they will keep playing that same sh!++y song.

Suputin
08-19-2017, 12:33 PM
“When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it’s the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is,” said Chomsky,

I love the left talking about a purge. Makes me giggle. They haven't got the first idea of what they will be up against if they even seriously consider a "purge" of right wing people. The left seems to live in a perpetual fantasy world of their own making, Too bad real life is not a fantasy.

Swampdonkey
08-19-2017, 02:49 PM
I love the left talking about a purge. Makes me giggle. They haven't got the first idea of what they will be up against if they even seriously consider a "purge" of right wing people. The left seems to live in a perpetual fantasy world of their own making, Too bad real life is not a fantasy.

Communists are good at purging. We need to fight back sooner than later. Moderate Canadians may very well have their families destroyed and live in relative slavery, and the government agents always side with big government, so don't expect any help from the police. Conservative politicians don't seem to be on our side in any meaningful way anymore either, and with Rebel Media dying, we're in a bad spot. Real conservatives need a social presence to advocate for our interests before we live under some weird feminist Sharia system.

Waterloomike
08-23-2017, 03:32 AM
I think bill c 89 makes a lot of headway towards the early goal of removing children from parents.

Wynne and her henchmen are pure evil.

But do keep in mind, there was not a single dissenting vote.

When the so called conservatives call for money, they will be taken to task and refused a single dime for voting for this and the carbon tax. They have to be held to account.

Voting against wynne and gang is not voting for anything.

And all politicians need to get a clue that the opposite of wrong isn't automatically what's right.

I'm so sick of this eternal bombardment of really bad law. 95% of all government could disappear and i would not miss it.

Waterloomike
08-23-2017, 03:59 AM
I was wrong about the vote.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-ontario-passes-totalitarian-bill-allowing-govt-to-take-kids-from-c


TORONTO, June 1, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Ontario’s Kathleen Wynne Liberals have passed what critics describe as “totalitarian” Bill 89 by a vote of 63 to 23 on the last day before Queen’s Park adjourns for the summer.

Apologies to all.

labradort
08-23-2017, 05:45 AM
There is a series on Netflix called World War II in Color. In the history I remember from school, our notion of it begins with the Battle of Britain following the fall of Poland and France, etc. The documentary goes back in the preceding years and covers a wider swath of the world including Italy, Japan, Spain, etc. In many of the cases, there were street riots up to civil wars between communists and fascists.

The goal isn't for one side or the other, but to keep the pot from boiling over.

Waterloomike
08-23-2017, 07:37 AM
There is a series on Netflix called World War II in Color. In the history I remember from school, our notion of it begins with the Battle of Britain following the fall of Poland and France, etc. The documentary goes back in the preceding years and covers a wider swath of the world including Italy, Japan, Spain, etc. In many of the cases, there were street riots up to civil wars between communists and fascists.

The goal isn't for one side or the other, but to keep the pot from boiling over.

The goal in the series?

Does that work out?

LB303
08-23-2017, 11:14 AM
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labradort
08-23-2017, 07:05 PM
The goal in the series?

Does that work out?

No, not the series. Obviously it blew up into a world war and in other places like Spain, a long civil war.

I'm making a comparison between the polarization of politics in the past and today, or at least how some see it today. We have had politics more in the center in the west since the end of WWII. But today extremes are coming out. People are no longer as unified or apolitical as within the last 50 years or more. I'm thinking of these clashes between fascist and communist in multiple countries prior to WWII when Chomsky references violence in the above article.

RangeBob
08-24-2017, 05:29 PM
August 24, 2017
Berkeley, California

In Berkeley this weekend, "anti-fascists will square off against...anti-facists?

Maybe.

According to the group, By Any Means Necessary (or BAMN), a "youth organization devoted to bringing about the next civil rights movement" (or so says its public relations department), will rally in Berkeley, California in order to "counteract" a "white supremacist rally" they say is set to take over the town.

But if it sounds weird that a "white supremacist" rally would take place in Berkeley, California, you might be right. The "Free Speech" rally is actually being held by a woman named Amber Cummings, who claims she is America's first "transgender patriot" and says she's holding the event for fellow leftists who want to speak out against the violence Antifa is committing in their name.

On Thursday, Cummings spoke to local media, and was adamant that she was neither a white supremacist, nor a Nazi - she's just "anti-Marxist," and claims she's worried that agitators taking over the progressive movement are there to foment a violent revolution they hope will end in a Communist state.

“It’s a free speech rally,” she told reporters, describing her rally, expected to draw 300. “Marxism is being taught at UC Berkeley and anti-American thought. I’m not safe to walk down road with American flag.”

She explained herself further in a Facebook post:


Amber Gwen Cummings wrote

It shows how stupid the ALT left is. My interview today has me dressed in a Antifa mask. These idiots are thinking I'm trying to hide my face LOL, despite many times showing my face and I explained why I had the bandana on I am obviously using this so the public sees how cowardly antifa is and give them a visual of what the Mayor of Berkeley allows in his city and lets them attack our veterans, our police, and our citizens. These terrorists days are numbered till they are in ...

No alt-right icons are invited, Cummings claims. One person on the official agenda, Michael Johns, is listed as a "Tea Party founder" but a quick search of his name doesn't seem to reveal any connection to the "official" alt-right.

But that doesn't seem to be stopping BAMN from declaring that they will "take on" the "white supremacists" who are invading their town - and, based on recent history, BAMN likely won't be sutble about it. BAMN's leader and founder, Berkeley-based teacher Yvette Falcara was arrested last year for "inciting a riot" when she literally punched a Nazi who was part of an actual white supremacist demonstration in Sacramento, CA. After she hit one of the neo-Nazi demonstrators, the dueling protest and counter protest descended into an all-out melee.

Falcara recently defended her actions, throwing the first punch, by claiming that violence against the far right is "not a crime" - and that the group intends to be true to its name - By Any Means Necessary - when fighting "fascism."

Whatever happens this weekend, anyone with sense should probably pack up and leave Berkeley.

hxxp://www.dailywire.com/news/20196/anti-fascist-protesters-plan-shut-down-anti-emily-zanotti

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Let’s restore the unanimity. Nazism is bad and unjustifiable. Violence against those who are not acting violently is bad and unjustifiable. That’s not whataboutism. That’s truth.
If we can’t agree on those basic principles, we’re not going to be able to share a country.
-- Ben Shapiro, Aug 24, 2017, http://jewishjournal.com/opinion/ben-shapiro/223554/antifa-nazism-opportunistic-politics-divide-us/

GotSauer
08-24-2017, 06:03 PM
^^^^ read this and tell me that reality is not stranger than fiction! I mean WTF is going on these days? A pissing contest of who is more inclusive?

Waterloomike
08-24-2017, 06:06 PM
^^^^ read this and tell me that reality is not stranger than fiction! I mean WTF is going on these days? A pissing contest of who is more inclusive?

Or about who can be the dumbest?

I wouldn't want to be the judge. Too close to call.

killer kane
08-24-2017, 08:51 PM
Televised live? I sure hope so.:popcorn:

Run 'n' Gun
08-25-2017, 08:38 AM
Or about who can be the dumbest?

I wouldn't want to be the judge. Too close to call.

The race to the bottom.

FallisCowboy
08-25-2017, 09:30 AM
As I have posted before, it would seem it's become all about the violence and very little about the "cause" anymore. Solution......police snipers with orders to shoot anyone wearing a mask, regardless of side.

Run 'n' Gun
08-25-2017, 09:56 AM
As I have posted before, it would seem it's become all about the violence and very little about the "cause" anymore. Solution......police snipers with orders to shoot anyone wearing a mask, regardless of side.

I was thinking the same thing. Water cannons and tear gas aren't making the point. Live ammo would.

Never happen though, didn't it happen the '60's at some school? Ohio maybe? or am I just thinking of lyrics to a song...

FallisCowboy
08-25-2017, 10:37 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Water cannons and tear gas aren't making the point. Live ammo would.

Never happen though, didn't it happen the '60's at some school? Ohio maybe? or am I just thinking of lyrics to a song...

Kent State, it was a mistake. However, what was different then was that those protesters were essentially peaceful, they were not wearing masks, burning, and looting. Those were legitimate protesters, these "antifa" types today are just armed masked thugs looking for any reason to be violent.

Then....
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Now...
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Maybe if the rifles were more obvious today, the snowflakes would be a lot better behaved.