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GTW
08-18-2017, 11:13 AM
Decent article regarding the alt-left from the New York Times.

While I cannot support Trump and abhor neo-nazis and white supremacists, it is interesting to note how far the movement Trump alluded to in his now (in)famous speech is prepared to go.
Eerily similar to the "we had to destroy the village in order to save it" mentality from the Viet Nam War era. I guess so much for the principle "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It"
I guess self appointed SJW's believe the only rights worth defending are th rights they believe you should have so long as they agree with them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/antifa-left-wing-faction-far-right.html

‘Antifa’ Grows as Left-Wing Faction Set to, Literally, Fight the Far Right

By THOMAS FULLER, ALAN FEUER and SERGE F. KOVALESKIAUG. 17, 2017

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White nationalists, foreground, clashing on Saturday with counterprotesters, some of them members of the so-called antifa movement, in Charlottesville, Va. Credit Edu Bayer for The New York Times

OAKLAND, Calif. — Last weekend, when a 27-year-old bike messenger showed up at the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Va., he came ready for battle. He joined a human chain that stretched in front of Emancipation Park and linked his arms with others, blocking waves of white supremacists — some of them in full Nazi regalia — from entering.

“As soon as they got close,” said the young man, who declined to give his real name and goes by Frank Sabaté after the famous Spanish anarchist, “they started swinging clubs, fists, shields. I’m not embarrassed to say that we were not shy in defending ourselves.”

Sabaté is an adherent of a controversial force on the left known as antifa. The term, a contraction of the word “anti-fascist,” describes the loose affiliation of radical activists who have surfaced in recent months at events around the country and have openly scuffled with white supremacists, right-wing extremists and, in some cases, ordinary supporters of President Trump. Energized in part by Mr. Trump’s election, they have sparred with their conservative opponents at political rallies and college campus speaking engagements, arguing that one crucial way to combat the far right is to confront its supporters on the streets.

Unlike most of the counterdemonstrators in Charlottesville and elsewhere, members of antifa have shown no qualms about using their fists, sticks or canisters of pepper spray to meet an array of right-wing antagonists whom they call a fascist threat to American democracy. As explained this week by a dozen adherents of the movement, the ascendant new right in the country requires a physical response.

“People are starting to understand that neo-Nazis don’t care if you’re quiet, you’re peaceful,” said Emily Rose Nauert, a 20-year-old antifa member who became a symbol of the movement in April when a white nationalist leader punched her in the face during a melee near the University of California, Berkeley.

“You need violence in order to protect nonviolence,” Ms. Nauert added. “That’s what’s very obviously necessary right now. It’s full-on war, basically.”

Others on the left disagree, saying antifa’s methods harm the fight against right-wing extremism and have allowed Mr. Trump to argue that the two sides are equivalent. These critics point to the power of peaceful disobedience during the civil rights era, when mass marches and lunch-counter protests in the South slowly eroded the legal enshrinement of discrimination.

“We’re against violence, just straight up,” said Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, which tracks hate groups. “If you want to protest racists and anti-Semites, it needs to be peacefully and hopefully somewhere away from where those guys are rallying.”

Antifa adherents — some armed with sticks and masked in bandannas — played a visible role in the running street battles in Charlottesville, but it is impossible to know how many people count themselves as members of the movement. Its followers acknowledge it is secretive, without official leaders and organized into autonomous local cells. It is also only one in a constellation of activist movements that have come together in the past several months to the fight the far right.

Driven by a range of political passions — including anticapitalism, environmentalism, and gay and indigenous rights — the diverse collection of anarchists, communists and socialists has found common cause in opposing right-wing extremists and white supremacists. In the fight against the far right, antifa has allied itself at times with local clergy, members of the Black Lives Matter movement and grass-roots social-justice activists. It has also supported niche groups like Black Bloc fighters, who scrapped with right-wing forces in Berkeley this year, and By Any Means Necessary, a coalition formed more than two decades ago to protest California’s ban on affirmative action for universities.

George Ciccariello-Maher, a professor at Drexel University in Philadelphia who counts himself as both an antifa follower and a scholar of the movement, said it did not have a single origin story. The group has antecedents in Europe, especially Germany and Italy, where its early followers traded shots with Nazis in the 1930s and fought against Benito Mussolini’s Blackshirts. Its more recent history has roots in the straight-edge punk rock music scene, the anti-globalization protests of the 1990s and the Occupy Wall Street movement.

The closest thing antifa may have to a guiding principle is that ideologies it identifies as fascistic or based on a belief in genetic inferiority cannot be reasoned with and must be physically resisted. Its adherents express disdain for mainstream liberal politics, seeing it as inadequately muscular, and tend to fight the right through what they call “direct actions” rather than relying on government authorities.

“When you look at this grave and dangerous threat — and the violence it has already caused — is it more dangerous to do nothing and tolerate it, or should we confront it?” Frank Sabaté said. “Their existence itself is violent and dangerous, so I don’t think using force or violence to oppose them is unethical.”

Another antifa activist, Asha, 28, from Philadelphia, who also declined to give her full name, said that “when people advocate for genocide and white supremacy, that is violence.” She added, “If we just stand back, we are allowing them to build a movement whose end goal is genocide.”

In the days after the violent events in Charlottesville, some antifa members responded with an angry call to arms, saying they could not back down from what they described as the “aggressors” on the right, even if it meant an escalation into gunfights.

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Emily Rose Nauert became a symbol of the antifa movement in April when a white nationalist leader punched her in the face during a melee near the University of California, Berkeley. Credit Christopher Lee for The New York Times

“I hope we never get there,” said a 29-year-old antifa anarchist from California who goes by the pseudonym Tony Hooligan. “But we are willing to get there.”

Not all antifa followers are as belligerent, nor are their tactics exclusively violent. When not attending what he called “big mobilizations” like the one in Charlottesville, Frank Sabaté has done ordinary community organizing, advocating prison reform and distributing anarchist literature at punk rock shows. Others say they do the same in antifa strongholds like Philadelphia, the Bay Area of California and the Pacific Northwest.

The Berkeley campus has been a particular hotbed of antifa activity, and university officials have criticized the group. In February, black-clad protesters, some of whom identified themselves as antifa, smashed windows, threw gasoline bombs and broke into a campus building, causing $100,000 in damage.

“The very notion of contesting ideas and perspectives with violence is antithetical to everything a university stands for,” said Dan Mogulof, a spokesman.

One of antifa’s chief functions, members said, is to monitor right-wing and white supremacist websites like The Daily Stormer and to expose the extremist groups in dispatches on their own websites like ItsGoingDown.org. According to James Anderson, who helps run ItsGoingDown, interest in the site has spiked since the events in Charlottesville, with more than 4,000 followers added for a total of over 23,000.

But antifa is “not some new sexy thing,” Mr. Anderson added. He noted that some of those who had scuffled with those on the right at Mr. Trump’s inauguration or at more recent events in New Orleans and Portland, Ore., were veterans of actions at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul in 2008, where hundreds of people were arrested, and at Occupy encampments in cities across the country.

Nonetheless, Mr. Anderson said, the far right’s resurgence under Mr. Trump has created a fresh sense of urgency. “Suddenly,” he said, “people are coming into your town with hate. It has to be confronted.”

One of the most vivid examples of antifa violence occurred in January at Mr. Trump’s inauguration, where a masked member of the movement punched the prominent white supremacist Richard B. Spencer (who was pepper-sprayed by an antifa activist in Charlottesville). That single blow started a national debate over whether it was morally justifiable to “punch a Nazi.”

Mr. Spencer, an avid opponent of the left, still drew distinctions among factions within the left-wing community.

“It’s important to differentiate antifa from liberals,” he said. “I don’t think it’s an overstatement to say that antifa believes in whatever means necessary. They have a sadistic streak.”

Other right-wing figures, like Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys, a so-called conservative fraternity of Western chauvinists, have said antifa has done itself no favors by assuming that its enemies all share the same views. Mr. McInnes was invited to Charlottesville but declined to go, he said, because of the presence of explicit white supremacists like Mr. Spencer.

In the past, antifa activists have engaged with people who were clearly something less than outright neo-Nazis, raising questions about who, if anyone, deserves to be punched and whether there is such a thing as legitimate political violence.

Like many of their opponents, some antifa members insist that they are merely reacting to pre-existing aggression.

“The essence of their message is violence,” Jed, an antifa organizer in New York who asked that his name not be used, said of his right-wing foes. “The other side” — his side — “is just responding.”

But Ms. Nauert said she believed that, now more than ever, “physical confrontation” would be needed.

“In the end,” she said, “that’s what it’s going to take — because Nazis and white supremacists are not around to talk.”

TJSpeller
08-18-2017, 11:17 AM
I'm not scared of a few hundred, or thousand, nazi idiots in Hicktown USA.

Antifa, though also made up of losers, is scary, because the media has their back and basically endorses their use of violence.

But violent people with carte blanche to do violence never stop until they are stopped by force, and there is apparently no one with the will do to that, so they will be terrorizing a lot of decent people and our so called government and police will do nothing about it.

GTW
08-18-2017, 11:23 AM
Antifa, though also made up of losers, is scary, because the media has their back and basically endorses their use of violence.

You nailed that one.

killer kane
08-18-2017, 11:23 AM
I'm not scared of a few hundred, or thousand, nazi idiots in Hicktown USA.

Antifa, though also made up of losers, is scary, because the media has their back and basically endorses their use of violence.

But violent people with carte blanche to do violence never stop until they are stopped by force, and there is apparently no one with the will do to that, so they will be terrorizing a lot of decent people and our so called government and police will do nothing about it.

And that's when the $h!t will hit the fan.

Doug_M
08-18-2017, 11:26 AM
and have openly scuffled with white supremacists, right-wing extremists and, in some cases, ordinary supporters of President Trump.

I would change that to "in most cases". The NYT (along with the entirety of the left be they politicians or MSM) continue the drumbeat of "right wing" at best through "far right" to "white nationalist" to describe anyone who is not left of centre. Rarely are they actually in confrontation with those who are far right or white supremacists. The goal is to demonize the entirety of the right as well as to demonize nationalism.

Remember when (at least in North America) the "black bock" and antifa types (before that term was coined) would protest against globalism? Remember when globalism was the thing to fight? Well the globalists have managed to turn that around. Baaa, baaa went antifa. Baaa baaa went a shockingly large portion of the public.

lone-wolf
08-18-2017, 11:28 AM
These people are ruining the anarchist name, like most ancoms(anarchocommunists) do.
They are routinely mocked for being statist pretenders.

Swampdonkey
08-18-2017, 11:51 AM
And that's when the $h!t will hit the fan.

And we'll get blamed and punished for it.

Might be a good time to buy an SKS, lube it in bearing grease, pack it in some 8" PVC with a few hundred rounds of ammunition, rent a post hole auger for a day.

lone-wolf
08-18-2017, 12:10 PM
And we'll get blamed and punished for it.

Might be a good time to buy an SKS, lube it in bearing grease, pack it in some 8" PVC with a few hundred rounds of ammunition, rent a post hole auger for a day.

You won't have it when you need it

Swampdonkey
08-18-2017, 12:14 PM
You won't have it when you need it

The bedside carbine will stay where it is.

Forbes/Hutton
08-18-2017, 12:51 PM
I'm not sure who's more ignorant:

-The racists that think they're more scary and have more credibility by calling themselves neo"nazis" when, other than their racism, they're as far from national socialist as you can get.

-The leftists who think 1) the fascists and nazis were right wing 2) fail to recognize that they are the fascists, 3) ARE more scared of, and give more credibility to the racists because they call themselves nazis.

-The media, who think they are smarter than everyone, but don't know both the far right and far left idiots (above) are all using names completely wrong and lump all conservatives in with the nazis and klan now.

RangeBob
08-18-2017, 01:12 PM
The alt-left and the alt-right have enough time to learn history, but seem to be ignoring it.
Both seem to use rhetoric like "people who think like we do" without bothering to specify what they're talking about.

The media is too busy getting new content out this second, to bother reading history. They hope that someone they interview will tell them history for them, preferably after being bludgeoned in the face and bleeding so that their editor will allow them to run it, if their editor thinks the bludgeoned-e is a "people who think like we do".

Scotlas
08-18-2017, 01:25 PM
Wow, a pro-Antifa from the NYT. How shocking. The media's bread sure is buttered on one side.

That's such a nice picture of Louise Rosealma (aka Venus Rosealma, Emily Rose Marshall, Emily Rose Nauert, and Moldylocks [Link] (https://everipedia.org/wiki/louise-rosealma-venus-rosales/)

That poor pretty girl got punched by a hateful white man. She was just taking photographs. She's a photographer, dontcha know. What they don't tell you is her glove is suspected to have been weighted and she had been throwing or swinging wine bottles around. Lovely porn actress, I mean, person.




http://i.imgur.com/h9Cnm9M.jpg

soulchaser
08-18-2017, 02:05 PM
Emily Rose Nauert thought she was tough.

Then she got knocked the f--k out after lunging at a guy at the Berkley protest (Google for a gif)

Then all her porn vids/picture spreads/cam girl sessions under the name Venus Rosales became public knowledge. (DON'T GOOGLE THOSE. She has never heard of a razor)

Then the anarchist/antifa hero went crying home to her rumoured very wealthy mommy and daddy.

FALover
08-18-2017, 02:32 PM
A friend dropped by this past Wednesday. He had a sheitload of Garand parts and we barreled up five receivers and finished assembling two rifles. 3307 Fighting Fascism (or antifa) since 1936.

GTW
08-18-2017, 03:44 PM
The alt-left and the alt-right have enough time to learn history, but seem to be ignoring it.
Both seem to use rhetoric like "people who think like we do" without bothering to specify what they're talking about.

The media is too busy getting new content out this second, to bother reading history. They hope that someone they interview will tell them history for them, preferably after being bludgeoned in the face and bleeding so that their editor will allow them to run it, if their editor thinks the bludgeoned-e is a "people who think like we do".

Extremely sad the MSM has devolved into story creation instead of reporting the facts. Pretty sad that members of this BB can take the milliseconds needed to do some fact checking on those being made into pseudo heroes and present the other side of the story, but MSM can't be bothered or are too involved iin making up the story. Jusat once I'd like to get the complete story with all the facts, but sensationalism sells and I suppose that one should never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Per Scotlas - She's no victim.

Scotlas
08-18-2017, 04:40 PM
Extremely sad the MSM has devolved into story creation instead of reporting the facts. Pretty sad that members of this BB can take the milliseconds needed to do some fact checking on those being made into pseudo heroes and present the other side of the story, but MSM can't be bothered or are too involved iin making up the story. Jusat once I'd like to get the complete story with all the facts, but sensationalism sells and I suppose that one should never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Per Scotlas - She's no victim.

The thought in my head since I read the OP article is the old adage, "If you're paying for it, then you are the product."

If it wasn't before, it is now blatantly obvious the MSM's goal is to implant their political bias, which is almost exclusively left winged. That NYT article justified and damn near glorified what Antifa is doing, thereby promoting violence against anyone who disagrees with them.

If you want your opinions given to you, the MSM is the way to go. Our news is just as bad as the US, but just a little less blatant. Just look at how effectively they got The Moron elected.

Scotlas
08-18-2017, 04:41 PM
(DON'T GOOGLE THOSE. She has never heard of a razor)



Second this!!

killer kane
08-18-2017, 05:16 PM
I still laugh out loud when I see that video clip. It's not a guy hitting a girl to me, she's a scumbag.

Scotlas
08-18-2017, 07:31 PM
I still laugh out loud when I see that video clip. It's not a guy hitting a girl to me, she's a scumbag.
I don't like seeing women get leveled, but considering she was trying to scalp fascists with an empty wine bottle, she's a criminal like any other. If that glove was weighted, there's the intent. If any of the above is really true, the punch was defense of self or others.

lone-wolf
08-18-2017, 09:38 PM
Sooooooo apparently I look like a neo-nazi and got stabbed for it ... luckily I put my hands up to stop it so he only stabbed my hand.... please keep in mind there was no conversation between me and this dude I was literally just getting out of my car

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010048441847

But both sides are not to blame, and innocent people getting stabbed is just fine.

Steveo9mm
08-19-2017, 06:42 AM
Second this!!

you googled it didnt you, you dirty dog

GTW
08-19-2017, 10:21 AM
you googled it didnt you, you dirty dog
God help me I did too. Now I have to look at the sun on Monday to get that image off my retinas.

DanN
08-19-2017, 11:04 AM
God help me I did too. Now I have to look at the sun on Monday to get that image off my retinas.Good news; you can go look at the Sun right now. No need to wait for the eclipse!

I too googled it. Viewing is its own punishment.

No need to feel shame, brother. It was a trap all along.

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Opalsasquatch
08-19-2017, 11:36 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA



"Shuuuuuuussssshhhhh.

You can't post stuff like that, too many heads will explode."
Hillbillyreefer

Scotlas
08-19-2017, 12:01 PM
you googled it didnt you, you dirty dog

Curiosity killed the retinas. Lol

Suputin
08-19-2017, 12:06 PM
I'm not sure who's more ignorant:

-The racists that think they're more scary and have more credibility by calling themselves neo"nazis" when, other than their racism, they're as far from national socialist as you can get.

-The leftists who think 1) the fascists and nazis were right wing 2) fail to recognize that they are the fascists, 3) ARE more scared of, and give more credibility to the racists because they call themselves nazis.

-The media, who think they are smarter than everyone, but don't know both the far right and far left idiots (above) are all using names completely wrong and lump all conservatives in with the nazis and klan now.

Nailed it! The avalanche of stupidity we are experiencing today is nothing short of depressing. This is all a bunch of really dumb people fighting over terms they don't understand and all of it cheerlead by stupid talking heads.

Suputin
08-19-2017, 12:07 PM
“You need violence in order to protect nonviolence,” Ms. Nauert added. “That’s what’s very obviously necessary right now. It’s full-on war, basically.”

Ghandi didn't need violence to protect non-violence. Neither did Dr Martin Luther King. Those two men had and will have much more influence on the world than any black masked anti-fa idiot punching a random person they labelled a "nazi".

Suputin
08-19-2017, 12:13 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/CheHigh.jpg/1200px-CheHigh.jpg

I wonder how long it will take for the socialists making up antifa to realize their hero Che was a murderer and homophobe?

Suputin
08-19-2017, 12:23 PM
Has anyone given any thought as to how we see this all ending? At any point do BLM and anti-fa reach a point where they are satisfied and stop going around looking for people to punch and plaques to rip down or horse names to be offended by? Because once these groups have gotten used to the power they get from being offended and/or violent, they will never ever stop. We will end up in a spiral of never ending smaller and smaller graduations of idiocy as offence.

It has been said that population uprising don't happen until the population sees itself as having no choice. Right now the average person is happy with their life but when the average white male eventually gets backed into a corner of PC outrage and stupidity, he will feel like he has no choice but to fight back and then we will end up in a real shooting war.

Nobody wants this to happen but nobody seems to understand that unless PC, anti-fa, SJW activities are curtailed and limited, it will eventually happen.

Swampdonkey
08-19-2017, 12:32 PM
Has anyone given any thought as to how we see this all ending? At any point do BLM and anti-fa reach a point where they are satisfied and stop going around looking for people to punch and plaques to rip down or horse names to be offended by? Because once these groups have gotten used to the power they get from being offended and/or violent, they will never ever stop. We will end up in a spiral of never ending smaller and smaller graduations of idiocy as offence.

It has been said that population uprising don't happen until the population sees itself as having no choice. Right now the average person is happy with their life but when the average white male eventually gets backed into a corner of PC outrage and stupidity, he will feel like he has no choice but to fight back and then we will end up in a real shooting war.

Nobody wants this to happen but nobody seems to understand that unless PC, anti-fa, SJW activities are curtailed and limited, it will eventually happen.

This is why the Crown want gun control. They know the old guys with dozens of guns are harmless, but when they start supplying guns and ammunition to disillusioned white boys, that becomes hard to control. Domestic terrorists vs foreign terrorists, with the government confused as to its role.

lone-wolf
08-19-2017, 12:33 PM
Back to the left wing terrorism of the 60s & 70s I guess.

Rory McCanuck
08-19-2017, 03:33 PM
Nobody wants this to happen but nobody seems to understand that unless PC, anti-fa, SJW activities are curtailed and limited, it will eventually happen.

I disagree, Soros & co. has spent an awful lot of time, effort, and money to bring exactly this about.
Then the NWO Stormtroopers can swoop in and crack everyone's heads and cow the masses.
Once we are unified under the Supreme Leader of the One World Government, all demonstrations will Stop!
Or else off to the camp with you.

sltoronto
08-19-2017, 03:46 PM
on the surface it may look as "reds" vs "browns", but if looking closer it seems to me more like "black-shirts" vs "brown-shirts" ..
and both sides do not accept the fact that most of the population is not in these camps at all, both are having a binary vision...
and there are much more "black-shirts" in America, much more ...

is it the beginning of the American "perestroika" ?

Rory McCanuck
08-19-2017, 06:40 PM
3316

And no, it isn't photoshopped.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/swastikas-daubed-blood-neo-nazis-7278965

Suputin
08-19-2017, 08:34 PM
Most of the anti-fa symbols are reminiscent of Nazi era symbols. It's like they don't even see it. Their symbols look nazi and they are the ones acting like fascists while claiming to be fighting fascists.

Marcel
08-19-2017, 10:40 PM
All of them yelling at each other and fighting in the streets are IDIOTS!!

As to Little Miss Mental Case, if she wasn't nuts and lost the dreads I'd do 'er.

Forbes/Hutton
08-19-2017, 10:56 PM
Most of the anti-fa symbols are reminiscent of Nazi era symbols. It's like they don't even see it. Their symbols look nazi and they are the ones acting like fascists while claiming to be fighting fascists.

Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it

Marcel
08-20-2017, 09:06 AM
Check this out:

ww w.patriotfires.com/watch-this-trump-supporter-go-undercover-as-antifa-and-reveal-their-evil-plans-on-hidden-camera/

DasMauser
08-20-2017, 09:30 AM
Check this out:

ww w.patriotfires.com/watch-this-trump-supporter-go-undercover-as-antifa-and-reveal-their-evil-plans-on-hidden-camera/

Aren't masked protesters supposed to be treated as crimials with intent and arrested? Jesus Christ, I'm surprised the National Guard hasn't been called in and declared martial law yet, this is insane. Eventually someone is going to have enough of rocks bouncing off his skull and shoot one of them, then it will all be over.

That being said, similiar protests happening in Vancouver, but huge difference between ideals. All the "alt-right" was there for was protesting Islam and Trudeaus ridiculous immigration open-border policy, and immediately the CBC condemns them all as white supremacists and political leaders all release statements dis-avowing these "racist, bigoted and evil people". That protest from the "alt-right" as they love to call them seemed like common sense to me, people don't want what continues to happen in Europe to happen here, and for that they are labeled nazi's. For f@$ks sake

LRA
08-20-2017, 09:56 AM
crowds on demand . com?

FallisCowboy
08-20-2017, 10:55 AM
Most of the anti-fa symbols are reminiscent of Nazi era symbols. It's like they don't even see it. Their symbols look nazi and they are the ones acting like fascists while claiming to be fighting fascists.

IMHO, Alt-Left, Alt-Right, whatever they want to call themselves, they are all(t)-losers, just looking for any excuse to burn and loot. Politics has very little to do with their motivations, violence does. If the authorities would start rounding them all up, just for being violent, destructive, and their illegal behavior, regardless of cause; I believe we would see a serious decrease in these events.

lone-wolf
08-20-2017, 11:59 AM
Politics has very little to do with their motivations, violence does.

They finally figured out how to riot without having the local sports team having to lose a trophy first.

Boston Antifa seems to be condemning libertarians, capitalists, classical liberals, conservatives, and supporters of the constitution - ordering them all to leave.

lol

killer kane
08-20-2017, 12:27 PM
Can't have anarchy and then a totalitarian state without getting rid of all the political moderates in the area. Especially those darned freedom loving libertarians.

FallisCowboy
08-20-2017, 05:00 PM
Can't have anarchy and then a totalitarian state without getting rid of all the political moderates in the area. Especially those darned freedom loving libertarians.

Except for one little problem.........."those political moderates and freedom loving libertarians have an estimated 8 trillion rounds of ammunition and the anarchists (leftards) can't even choose a washroom." I think they are jumping the "gun" a wee bit........or soon will be.

FALover
08-20-2017, 05:10 PM
Just how many of these stunned f**ktards are out there? Not the wannabe revolutionaries who run at the first sign of confrontation but the hardcore 'activists'?

lone-wolf
08-20-2017, 05:30 PM
Except for one little problem.........."those political moderates and freedom loving libertarians have an estimated 8 trillion rounds of ammunition and the anarchists (leftards) can't even choose a washroom." I think they are jumping the "gun" a wee bit........or soon will be.

They aren't anarchists, they're communist authoritarians.

FallisCowboy
08-20-2017, 05:33 PM
They aren't anarchists, they're communist authoritarians.

What ever they call themselves, whatever they identify as, they are still virtually unarmed. :evil1: If they come looking for trouble with me, I won't use rocks and clubs. :evil1:

lone-wolf
08-20-2017, 06:50 PM
Global is quietly reporting that their camera men were assaulted and cameras destroyed by antifa in Quebec city.

Suputin
08-20-2017, 08:22 PM
Just how many of these stunned f**ktards are out there? Not the wannabe revolutionaries who run at the first sign of confrontation but the hardcore 'activists'?

The ones willing to die for their principals and way of life. Like those of us who have served in the military were/are.





Global is quietly reporting that their camera men were assaulted and cameras destroyed by antifa in Quebec city.

And it was Global who went out of their way to say over and over again that the counter protesters in Charlottesville were "peaceful" when we all know they went there looking for a fight. Now maybe Global may come to understand the nature of the beast they are cheering on.

Marcel
08-21-2017, 12:49 AM
Global is quietly reporting that their camera men were assaulted and cameras destroyed by antifa in Quebec city.

Bunch of spoiled brats who should have never been spared the willow switch out behind the wood shed.

Whatever happened to letting the media be and getting your message out? These f***tards are just violent a$$holes bent on destruction.

Their wings must be clipped, and soon.

FALover
08-21-2017, 07:25 AM
Bunch of spoiled brats who should have never been spared the willow switch out behind the wood shed.

Whatever happened to letting the media be and getting your message out? These f***tards are just violent a$$holes bent on destruction.

Their wings must be clipped, and soon.

7.62 clippers is the recommended method in most countries that deal with this situation on a constant basis.

Scotlas
08-21-2017, 09:43 AM
Someone is paying these people to do destabilize the US from within. Who (it's hypothsized to be Soros) and why?

GTW
08-21-2017, 09:53 AM
Just reported:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/21/petition-urging-terror-label-for-antifa-gets-enough-signatures-for-white-house-response.html

Petition urging terror label for Antifa gets enough signatures for White House response
Published August 21, 2017
Fox News

A petition put up just days ago urging the Trump administration to label the left-wing Antifa a “terror group” has attracted well over the 100,000 signatures needed to merit a formal White House response.

The left-wing group has been the subject of intense scrutiny in recent days after President Trump controversially blamed “both sides” for the violence in Charlottesville, where a counter-protester at a white supremacist rally was killed in a car attack.

Trump’s criticism of violence on the “alt-left” was seen as a swipe at groups like Antifa, whose “anti-facist” members have been known to clash with groups ranging from Trump supporters to white supremacists and neo-Nazis. Trump was hammered for seeming to equate Charlottesville counter-protesters with neo-Nazis – but in the days since, Antifa’s tactics at other rallies have been the subject of numerous media reports.

The White House petition, posted by someone going only by the initials, “M.A.,” called for Antifa to be “formally” recognized as a terror group.

It states: “Terrorism is defined as ‘the use of violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims’. This definition is the same definition used to declare ISIS and other groups, as terrorist organizations. AntiFa has earned this title due to its violent actions in multiple cities and their influence in the killings of multiple police officers throughout the United States. It is time for the pentagon to be consistent in its actions – and just as they rightfully declared ISIS a terror group, they must declare AntiFa a terror group – on the grounds of principle, integrity, morality, and safety.”

It was posted on the White House petition site, whose rules say any petition getting over 100,000 signatures in 30 days will be reviewed and get an “official response. “

As of late Monday, it had over 160,000 signatures, after having been posted Aug. 17.

Antifa leaders contend their aggressive tactics are used only to fight hatred and racism.

DasMauser
08-21-2017, 09:57 AM
Just reported:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/21/petition-urging-terror-label-for-antifa-gets-enough-signatures-for-white-house-response.html

Petition urging terror label for Antifa gets enough signatures for White House response
Published August 21, 2017
Fox News

A petition put up just days ago urging the Trump administration to label the left-wing Antifa a “terror group” has attracted well over the 100,000 signatures needed to merit a formal White House response.

The left-wing group has been the subject of intense scrutiny in recent days after President Trump controversially blamed “both sides” for the violence in Charlottesville, where a counter-protester at a white supremacist rally was killed in a car attack.

Trump’s criticism of violence on the “alt-left” was seen as a swipe at groups like Antifa, whose “anti-facist” members have been known to clash with groups ranging from Trump supporters to white supremacists and neo-Nazis. Trump was hammered for seeming to equate Charlottesville counter-protesters with neo-Nazis – but in the days since, Antifa’s tactics at other rallies have been the subject of numerous media reports.

The White House petition, posted by someone going only by the initials, “M.A.,” called for Antifa to be “formally” recognized as a terror group.

It states: “Terrorism is defined as ‘the use of violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims’. This definition is the same definition used to declare ISIS and other groups, as terrorist organizations. AntiFa has earned this title due to its violent actions in multiple cities and their influence in the killings of multiple police officers throughout the United States. It is time for the pentagon to be consistent in its actions – and just as they rightfully declared ISIS a terror group, they must declare AntiFa a terror group – on the grounds of principle, integrity, morality, and safety.”

It was posted on the White House petition site, whose rules say any petition getting over 100,000 signatures in 30 days will be reviewed and get an “official response. “

As of late Monday, it had over 160,000 signatures, after having been posted Aug. 17.

Antifa leaders contend their aggressive tactics are used only to fight hatred and racism.

Good, at least they're starting to wake up and smell the coffee

killer kane
08-21-2017, 09:59 AM
Terrorists plain and simple, off to gitmo with em.

RangeBob
08-21-2017, 10:13 AM
Somehow 'organized crime' with a bit of 'subversive', seems to fit them better than 'terrorists'.
Organized crime in the sense that they're organized (even paid and bussed in), and commit vandalism, threats, intimidation, violence, assault, etc.
Subversive in the sense that even if they don't individually realize it, the goals and values seem bad.

It seems more 'riot' than 'terrorism'. Terrorism usually goes straight to murder, or sometimes kidnapping an subsequent murder; whereas antifa currently seems content with rioting.

Would be interesting to see them classified as a Corrupt Organization within the meaning of the Rico Act.

FallisCowboy
08-21-2017, 10:14 AM
Antifa leaders contend their aggressive tactics are used only to fight hatred and racism.

The real catch here is that they decide what constitutes "hatred and racism" in their minds. Exactly why they need to be outlawed.

RangeBob
08-21-2017, 10:16 AM
The real catch here is that they decide what constitutes "hatred and racism" in their minds. Exactly why they need to be outlawed.

WKRP Censorship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ2OSoWI9eU

Suputin
08-21-2017, 10:51 PM
Bunch of spoiled brats who should have never been spared the willow switch out behind the wood shed.

Whatever happened to letting the media be and getting your message out? These f***tards are just violent a$$holes bent on destruction.

Their wings must be clipped, and soon.

Its the media who are both encouraging and supporting these violent lunatics. In this case the media is getting their comeuppance for getting in bed with a group they should have denounced from the beginning.

Forbes/Hutton
08-21-2017, 10:57 PM
Somehow 'organized crime' with a bit of 'subversive', seems to fit them better than 'terrorists'.
Organized crime in the sense that they're organized (even paid and bussed in), and commit vandalism, threats, intimidation, violence, assault, etc.
Subversive in the sense that even if they don't individually realize it, the goals and values seem bad.

It seems more 'riot' than 'terrorism'. Terrorism usually goes straight to murder, or sometimes kidnapping an subsequent murder; whereas antifa currently seems content with rioting.

Would be interesting to see them classified as a Corrupt Organization within the meaning of the Rico Act.

OC or terrorists, either way, so long as Soros gets a life sentence...

SIR VEYOR
08-22-2017, 09:16 AM
OC or terrorists, either way, so long as Soros gets a life sentence...

Well, under RICO, isn't there a good chance Soros bank accounts (and others) be siezed, or temporarily frozen? As AntiFa and BLM may have demonstrable collusion ties, things get big fast.

Then under proceeds from crime legislation, the government then uses the funds for equipping police departments...

FallisCowboy
08-22-2017, 09:20 AM
I don't think that there is enough solid evidence against Soros to get a RICO indictment, otherwise I believe he would be behind bars. I do hope that sometime they get him, though. The man is pure evil. I hope they declare Antifa a terrorist group, that would be a good start.

Weekend Gunslingers
08-22-2017, 11:57 AM
Interesting they can protest and cause chaos...on a weekday for example....who can do that?

Basement dwellers that do not earn their living and want a socialist/communist culture of (what they think) is getting the government to take care of them. The reality of such a system is very far from their ideal unicorn sanctuary

Scotlas
08-22-2017, 11:58 AM
I don't think that there is enough solid evidence against Soros to get a RICO indictment, otherwise I believe he would be behind bars. I do hope that sometime they get him, though. The man is pure evil. I hope they declare Antifa a terrorist group, that would be a good start.

The DHS in New Jersey has already declared them terrorists. They call Antifa "Anarchist Extremists" and the page is filed under what seems to be the heading of "Counterterrorism, Domestic."

Let's home some other states have the guts to do the same.

https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/anarchist-extremists-antifa