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M1917 Enfield
08-24-2017, 02:15 PM
Lucky for us real Canadians that our first class healthcare system is not stretched to it's limits and that we can easily afford to treat these "irregular" newcomers to better healthcare than most real Canadians get!


Asylum seekers get health-care benefits first, eligibility questions later

Asylum seekers arriving illegally in Quebec are getting access to health-care services before the government knows whether they’re eligible to make a refugee claim, due to a backlog of cases, according to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada.

About 3,800 people have crossed the Canada-U.S. border into Quebec in the first two weeks of August. This influx, after nearly 3,000 people arrived in July, has pushed the government to set up temporary tent housing in Lacolle, and more recently in Cornwall, Ontario.

READ MORE: Number of asylum-seekers crossing into Canada skyrockets in July

But there are signs that the high numbers have significantly strained the system.

Normally, “irregular” arrivals who cross the border illegally first go through a security check and then go through a second screening to determine whether they are eligible to make a refugee claim. These two checks are usually done within a matter of hours or days.

But according to Denise Otis, a protection officer with the office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in Montreal, the eligibility interviews are taking months to arrange. “The situation right now is for people unless you are very vulnerable, at this moment we are the 21st of August, you will have your eligibility interview in January.”

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Asylum seekers are still getting security screened, she said, but the second check is taking a long time because of the number of people. “There were too many people waiting for days in difficult conditions, so they decided to only proceed with the beginning of the application. Just receiving their names and identifying themselves.”

In the meantime, people are getting access to some benefits that are usually only reserved for those whose refugee claim is waiting to be heard by the Immigration and Refugee Board.

WATCH: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says it’s a myth that crossing “irregularly” into Canada isn’t faster than trying to come into Canada through the proper channels.

These asylum seekers will begin getting basic health care under the Interim Federal Health Program due to the delays, said Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada.

“With the current delay for the initial eligibility interview, this leaves individuals without (medical) coverage for several weeks, relying on emergency rooms for even minor health concerns. It also delays their ability to undergo an immigration medical exam in a timely way,” said IRCC.

“In light of this, we will begin extending this coverage to asylum seekers immediately as they enter Canada rather than waiting until their claim has been referred to the IRB. Government officials have begun working on making this happen.”

WATCH: Prime Minster Justin Trudeau says the integrity of Canada’s immigration system will remain intact with the help of the assembled task force.

It’s possible that some of these people, after receiving temporary benefits, could be found ineligible to make a claim and would then be asked to leave Canada – if they had already made a refugee claim in Canada years ago, for example.

READ MORE: Anyone crossing the border illegally whose claim is rejected will be sent home, not back to U.S.
Processing delays

“With the initial influx before the ramping up of our capacity at Lacolle, the timelines were five months for the eligibility hearing,” said Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen. “But even that is coming down really, really fast.”

In a written statement, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada said that they are addressing interview delays by opening a new floor at their processing centre in Montreal, tripling the capacity of that processing centre and scheduling earlier interviews for people whose paperwork is completed.

Under more normal circumstances, where their eligibility is determined quickly, people who make a refugee claim would still be getting benefits. They’re just receiving them at an earlier stage now, before they know if they can make a claim.

READ MORE: Why are asylum seekers crossing into Canada on foot and what are their rights?

Otis is happy that the government has taken interim measures to deliver benefits during the delays.

“The person will eventually have the interview. It’s been postponed for all kinds of situations that are not the fault of the person themselves,” she said. “So in the meantime, you can’t just leave them in the street, right?”

WATCH: Minister Ahmed Hussen explains what the government is doing in response to the high numbers of asylum seekers crossing the border illegally.

08-24-2017, 02:20 PM
Minister Ahmed Hussen

Mole, Double Agent.

Liberals are so naive.

M1917 Enfield
08-24-2017, 02:22 PM
From another news story -

"The invading horde ignores the border signs and warnings by officers to turn back. They’re checked, given food and put on a bus along with their luggage to Montreal. There they can expect free health care for any medical issues and a $650 check. And clamorous demands for social services and housing."

M1917 Enfield
08-24-2017, 02:29 PM

What refugee claimants receive from the government


A Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer informs migrants of their rights at the Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle border, Aug. 7, 2017.

For many of the thousands of migrants making their way into Canada illegally near the Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle, Que. border crossing, setting foot on Canadian soil is just the first step in the process to gain the right to stay legally.

Aslyum seekers must file a claim with the Immigration and Refugee Board and while they wait for the board's decision, they have access to government services, including social assistance and health care.

The services are provided by different government agencies, most of which have funds set aside for new arrivals.

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Here's a look at what happens once a claimant has entered the country.
What happens at the border

When migrants arrive at unofficial border crossings like Roxham Road near Lacolle, they are apprehended by RCMP, who verify identification and then take the asylum seekers to the Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) office for a health and security check.

Their request to claim asylum in the country is registered and they are referred to PRAIDA, the provincial government organization that helps new arrivals in their first months.

PRAIDA assesses their psychosocial and medical needs before determining whether to send them to one of the 12 centres set up to temporarily house refugees.

RCMP says it has intercepted 3,800 asylum seekers crossing illegally into Quebec since Aug. 1

There is currently a wait of about three days, as somewhere between 1,000 and 1,200 migrants wait to be processed. Many are sleeping in tents installed by Canadian Forces.

Finding a place to stay

The stadium is being used as temporary housing to deal with the influx of asylum seekers, but won't be available anymore in September. (Ryan Remiorz/Canadian Press)

Asylum seekers must declare how much money they have at the border. Their financial status affects whether they get to stay in one of the temporary housing centres and for how long.

If agents determine that families don't have a lot of money, they can typically stay in the centres until their first monthly social assistance cheque arrives, according to Paul Clarke, the executive director of Action Réfugiés Montreal.

Newcomers usually have to wait between 21 and 35 days for a cheque, but Clarke says the increase in demand could cause delays.

The Quebec government has enlisted a number of organizations to help asylum seekers find permanent places to live. Once they've found a place, however, they face further challenges.

If a person already established in Canada loses their job, chances are they have some clothes, furniture in their apartment, a bit of food in the pantry and some pots and pans to cook it with, said Clarke.

"Imagine being on welfare and you have none of that. How do you even get started?" he said. "You have the cheque, you rent a place, but where do you sleep, where do you sit?"

Getting income

The welfare Clarke is referring to is what the Quebec government calls "last resort special assistance," which is $628 for one single adult per month. The assistance is managed by the province's ministry of employment services.

The amount is comparable to B.C., where a single person gets $610, but lower than Manitoba, which will give a single adult about $750 a month.

To obtain a work permit, asylum seekers must first meet with Immigration Canada to determine if they are eligible for a refugee claim.

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That usually happens within the first few days of arrival, but PRAIDA says the "unprecedented" influx has created delays of more than three months.

Next, claimants apply for a federal work permit, but the time it takes to process work permits is stretching to about four months and could get longer.

Those delays mean claimants could face months on social assistance without the ability to get a job.

The Quebec government stops providing financial assistance once a refugee claimant finds a job.

Health care and education

Refugee claimants in Quebec have access to health services and some prescription drugs, covered by the Interim Federal Health Program or by Quebec's health insurance.

csdm president Catherine Harel-Bourdon

Catherine Harel-Bourdon, president of the Commission scolaire de Montréal, says the school board is doing everything it can to have all of the school-age asylum seekers enrolled by the first day of classes Aug. 28. (Radio-Canada)

French-language pre-school, elementary and secondary school is free for children between the ages of 5 and 18, but in order to enrol, claimants need to present their Refugee Protection Claimant document issued by the federal immigration ministry.

Montreal schools brace for influx of asylum seekers

Claimants can also take French-language courses for free. Those courses, as well as the education for children, are the responsibility of Quebec's education ministry.

Obtaining status

Once an asylum seeker has submitted their refugee claim, they have to wait for a hearing that will either approve or deny the claim.

If they are denied, they can appeal the decision under certain conditions. If they exhaust the appeals process they will be ordered to leave the country.

Claimants can also try to apply for permanent residency under humanitarian and compassionate grounds.

Several community groups help connect asylum seekers with lawyers and those who don't have the means to pay fees are eligible for legal aid.

08-24-2017, 03:25 PM
^^ Why the f**k is there not a big roll of barbed wire across that path? 'Stop please?' is the best we can do? Give me an f-ing break....

08-24-2017, 04:46 PM
^^ Why the f**k is there not a big roll of barbed wire across that path? 'Stop please?' is the best we can do? Give me an f-ing break....

Why aren't those buses they are being put on being driven straight to the airport where a plane should be waiting to fly them back to Haiti?

Yeah, free health care, a cheque for over $600 a month plus more per child..... yeah the flow of illegals is going to slow down.

And since they are now waiting 4 f--king months to determine if a person is even eligible to claim asylum, just based on the fact they are coming from the US should disqualify all of them, that's at least $2500 PER ILLEGAL down the s--tter if/when they are denied.

That is of course assuming these illegals even show up for their January appointment.

08-24-2017, 04:52 PM
"To obtain a work permit, asylum seekers must first meet with Immigration Canada to determine if they are eligible for a refugee claim."

Except Trudeau has already said they are looking at waving that and giving everyone a work permit as they arrive.

08-24-2017, 05:08 PM
August 24, 2017

On January 28, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau earned the love and admiration from elites all over the world when he tweeted out the following: "To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith." For good measure, he tacked on the hashtag, "#WelcomeToCanada."

What made America's elites squeee! with such pleasure went beyond Trudeau's open borders policy, the negative effects of which never touch elites, no, what touched their shared erogenous zone was Trudeau doing so on the same day President Trump announced his temporary halt on refugees coming in from countries (identified by the Obama administration) that cannot tell us the difference between a refugee and a terrorist.

Yep, Trudeau stuck his finger directly into the eye of the Orange Racist and the Beautiful People threw roses at his feet.

Meanwhile, in the Real World — you know, the world where everyday people exist, where the air is not rarified and the community is not gated, where those Canadians who are not elites struggle to make a living, raise their kids, pay their taxes, and scratch out the very best life they can — in that world they are feeling the very real effects of Trudeau's narcissistic virtue signaling.

Trouble began almost immediately. Within weeks, a family of Syrian refugees, who had heard Trudeau on the radio welcoming them from the clutches of the Evil Trump, found themselves in a bureaucratic limbo.

Flash-forward six months and Canada now has a full-blown immigration crisis on its hands:

With a massive backlog in refugee claims, Rempel called Trudeau "irresponsible" for opening Canada's door, then responding to the spike by building "tent cities" instead of presenting a credible plan.

"We're not that far off from frost," she said. "Let's be honest here."

Asylum seekers are entering Canada outside of official border crossings to avoid the Canada-U.S. Safe Third Country Agreement, which can be applied at official land border points, train crossings and airports.

Under the agreement, refugee claimants are required to request refugee protection in the first safe country they arrive in, unless they qualify for an exception spelled out in the agreement.

More than 6,000 people have crossed illegally into Quebec from New York since July, most of them Haitians prompted to flee by news the U.S. government is considering lifting temporary protected status for Haitian nationals.

That could mean thousands facing deportation back to Haiti.

What? Mr. #WelcomeToCanada is-is-is deporting?!?!

Say it isn't so, Justin!

Oh, my — is it ever so.

And now that Mr. #WelcomeToCanada's voters are dealing with the true-life consequences of the madness of open borders, Mr. #WelcomeToCanada is sounding an awful lot like Mr. You-Know-Who:

Canada is an open and welcoming society. But just as we welcome & encourage newcomers, we are also a country of laws.
— Justin Trudeau (@JustinTrudeau) August 23, 2017

Canadians can be confident in our immigration system - people who cross the border in an irregular way will not be at an advantage.
— Justin Trudeau (@JustinTrudeau) August 23, 2017

Why, wasn't it just last Tuesday that "a country of laws" was code for, "Never, never, never I say, cuz the Ku Klux Klan is here to stay."

I believe it was.


08-24-2017, 05:10 PM
^^ Why the f**k is there not a big roll of barbed wire across that path? 'Stop please?' is the best we can do? Give me an f-ing break....

may be we should get those from the Russians -

08-24-2017, 05:34 PM

Any idea how much justin spends on makeup a year?

French President Macron Spent Over $30,000 On Makeup In First Three Months As President.

08-24-2017, 05:40 PM

Any idea how much justin spends on makeup a year?

French President Macron Spent Over $30,000 On Makeup In First Three Months As President.

the French at least refused to pay for the up-keep of the First Lady, we didn't ...

08-24-2017, 05:53 PM
We are turning in to England.

08-24-2017, 07:11 PM
We are turning in to England.

Better start cranking out violent kids to unleash on the infidels.