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soulchaser
08-27-2017, 05:14 PM
Critics of Ontario's premier wondering why her dismal personal approval ratings aren't prompting her to quit before next year's election need look no further than government-commissioned polling.

The last nine months of polling that have landed in Kathleen Wynne's lap, and were obtained by The Canadian Press through a Freedom of Information request, suggest improving public opinion fortunes for a now somewhat less unpopular Liberal government.

The polling conducted by the Gandalf Group headed by the man leading the Liberals' 2018 re-election bid found large support for the government's plan for a $15 minimum wage, general support for carbon pricing, if not necessarily the specifics, and even improving assessments of the hydro file, over which the government has been consistently hammered.

More at link.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/wynne-election-polling-1.4264293

soulchaser
08-27-2017, 05:15 PM
So a poll, commissioned by the provincial government, conductd by the company owned by Wynne's campaign manager David Herle, says the Ontario Liberals are storming back in the race and Wynne's hydro rate "cut" plan and Wynne's $15 minimum wage idea are wildly popular.

Yup, sounds legit.

wolver
08-27-2017, 05:55 PM
If she's gonna get me 15 bucks an hour, I'll surely vote for her. Have to be nuts not to.

Waterloomike
08-27-2017, 06:40 PM
So a poll, commissioned by the provincial government, conductd by the company owned by Wynne's campaign manager David Herle, says the Ontario Liberals are storming back in the race and Wynne's hydro rate "cut" plan and Wynne's $15 minimum wage idea are wildly popular.

Yup, sounds legit.

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shootemup604
08-27-2017, 07:09 PM
Slimy...govt dollars for political party's poll, done by a company led by the guy who is going to run the party's campaign? Isn't this illegal?

shortandlong
08-27-2017, 07:19 PM
We are well past the soviet standard of propaganda and overl b()sh!t in the "news"

dakotamar
08-28-2017, 09:53 AM
If she's gonna get me 15 bucks an hour, I'll surely vote for her. Have to be nuts not to.

yup and you might hold on to that job if you are lucky...

M1917 Enfield
08-28-2017, 10:05 AM
If she's gonna get me 15 bucks an hour, I'll surely vote for her. Have to be nuts not to.

I'm sure the unions are also hoping it goes through as they will then push for a similar increase of wages across the board in all industries and for their members which will bring in more union dues also.

Anyone currently getting above minimum at $15 an hour will demand being bumped higher than minimum wage earners to about $20 and those currently at $20 will want $25 and so on!

Of course when the cost of everything then starts to skyrocket because most employers will pass the higher labour costs onto their customers who will then complain that they need a higher minimum wage again to help cover these higher costs and we get into a never-ending loop of increasing wages and higher cost of consumer goods.

Waterloomike
08-28-2017, 10:06 AM
If she's gonna get me 15 bucks an hour, I'll surely vote for her. Have to be nuts not to.

But weren't you making $22.75 before?

TJSpeller
08-28-2017, 10:16 AM
One word.

Robots.

Strewth
08-28-2017, 10:17 AM
yup and you might hold on to that job if you are lucky...
Yup, and the cost of everything handled by people now mandated to make $15/h won't have a corresponding price hike to compensate for the increased cost to businesses, putting him right back at square one, if he's really lucky.

A $40/h minimum wage would be much nicer, and make me feel better, which is what counts.

Anyhoo.
At least the Gandalf Group isn't being funded by tax dollars to tell The Empress her new clothes look fabulous, and anyone who can't see them is a fool....oh wait.

https://i1.wp.com/totalkathy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/the-emperors-new-clothes.jpg

wolver
08-28-2017, 10:23 AM
I was making over 20 when I lived in Ottawa in '95. Then I moved north to a town with a depressed economy, to help out my aging parents.
They're gone now and I'm too old and decrepit to get back into the construction trade. So I'm in transportation, where minimum wage is going to catch up to me, very soon.:frown1:

blacksmithden
08-28-2017, 10:35 AM
If we have to have a minimum $15/hr wage for unskilled labor, then I want to see a minimum $40/hr wage for licenced trades. Oh wait....thats not how socialism works......

mtlgun
08-28-2017, 10:53 AM
She only needs to win one poll and that's the one on election day.

The Ontario PC's seem to be about as exciting as watching grass grow and even less creative and dynamic. What ever the guys name is who's in charge has been about as exciting as a soaken wet sparkler. He's being out maneuvered by Wynne at every turn as doesn't seem to have any kind of comeback or counter attack. Unless he finds some kind of bone or issue that genuinely resonates with the electorate he looks like toast atm.

As the Liberals have proven on multiple occasions, incompetence in public administration can be overcome by good campaigning and effective pork barreling. If I was betting right now, I'd bet Wynne. gl Ontarians.

Weekend Gunslingers
08-28-2017, 10:55 AM
Problem with a higher minimum wage is that small businesses would not be able to afford wage increases and will probably have to let their staff go.

FALover
08-28-2017, 11:10 AM
I was in my local wallymart this weekend and lo and behold, eight, yes eight spankin' bran new self checkouts have been installed. $15.00 an hour for a cashier has just forced eight possible jobs out the door. Automation is going to be harsh on students, part time workers and anyone who is doing brain dead, menial work.

Waterloomike
08-28-2017, 11:10 AM
She only needs to win one poll and that's the one on election day.

The Ontario PC's seem to be about as exciting as watching grass grow and even less creative and dynamic. What ever the guys name is who's in charge has been about as exciting as a soaken wet sparkler. He's being out maneuvered by Wynne at every turn as doesn't seem to have any kind of comeback or counter attack. Unless he finds some kind of bone or issue that genuinely resonates with the electorate he looks like toast atm.

As the Liberals have proven on multiple occasions, incompetence in public administration can be overcome by good campaigning and effective pork barreling. If I was betting right now, I'd bet Wynne. gl Ontarians.

Yeah, brown sucks. He's very slightly better than a liberal. He wants a carbon tax. Won't be donating to that.

Last time they called, i promised to vote libertarian.

TJSpeller
08-28-2017, 11:15 AM
It's a shame we couldn't do better than Brown. I agree that he is one of the least charismatic politicians I've ever seen (and met).

Christine Elliott was a red tory of the truest kind, and people were really sick of those. Fact is that the lineup of choices was very thin. I voted for Brown over Elliott, and would do so again. He is a good organizer and fundraiser, for sure, so he is not totally useless.

However, I am hopeful that with the prospect of winning the next election, including seats in Toronto, the PCO can attract some quality candidates. The problem is that mostly the ones they attract are red tories.

Regardless... anything, absolutely ANYTHING is better than the Liberals. They are truly destroying Ontario. The only way forward is to get Brown and the PCO into power, and work within the party to try to control the drift to the left. To do that you have to a be a member, and to participate... wait, have I ranted on this issue before??

firemachine69
08-28-2017, 02:44 PM
Problem with a higher minimum wage is that small businesses would not be able to afford wage increases and will probably have to let their staff go.


Make no mistake, more welfare losers on the dole is the true purpose of minimum wage increases.

SeirX
08-28-2017, 04:24 PM
While y'all're looking at that $15/min.wage hook, the clear [to me] exposition that this is utter BS and lies spewed out of a liberal stink-tank is how
"general support for carbon pricing"
is in the mix of things *supported* by the people polled.

Who did they poll? People on their payroll or in the `carbon credits` "business"?
NOBODY - not a single person - I know or talk to randomly [coffee shop, grocery store, etc] is in support for a carbon price. Quite the opposite.

Strewth
08-28-2017, 04:42 PM
While y'all're looking at that $15/min.wage hook, the clear [to me] exposition that this is utter BS and lies spewed out of a liberal stink-tank is how
"general support for carbon pricing"
is in the mix of things *supported* by the people polled.

Who did they poll? People on their payroll or in the `carbon credits` "business"?
NOBODY - not a single person - I know or talk to randomly [coffee shop, grocery store, etc] is in support for a carbon price. Quite the opposite.

Gandalf Group is a Liberal (taxpayer) funded polling outfit. You can basically take what they say, reverse it, and get a lot of agreement from normal people.
$15 minimum wage vs. Let market forces decide!
Carbon pricing vs. Carbon is one of the most abundant elements, CO2 is plant food, and Why must Canada lead the way on this scam?
Hydro pricing vs. Send the Liberals over Niagara in a windmill.

tdod101
08-28-2017, 05:26 PM
I'm sure the unions are also hoping it goes through as they will then push for a similar increase of wages across the board in all industries and for their members which will bring in more union dues also.

Anyone currently getting above minimum at $15 an hour will demand being bumped higher than minimum wage earners to about $20 and those currently at $20 will want $25 and so on!

Of course when the cost of everything then starts to skyrocket because most employers will pass the higher labour costs onto their customers who will then complain that they need a higher minimum wage again to help cover these higher costs and we get into a never-ending loop of increasing wages and higher cost of consumer goods.

Absolutely, if this goes through, things will cost more, I want my union wages to increase. I have to be able to live the life I've come accustomed too

RangeBob
08-28-2017, 07:12 PM
If we have to have a minimum $15/hr wage for unskilled labor, then I want to see a minimum $40/hr wage for licenced trades. Oh wait....thats not how socialism works......

The left is into Equality Of Outcome.
"If you're making more than minimum wage, it's because you or your ancestors have done something evil. This sin needs to be corrected by an act of seizure."

Waterloomike
08-28-2017, 11:08 PM
Their act of seizure also needs correction. Harsh correction.

firemachine69
08-29-2017, 03:51 AM
Gandalf Group is a Liberal (taxpayer) funded polling outfit. You can basically take what they say, reverse it, and get a lot of agreement from normal people.
$15 minimum wage vs. Let market forces decide!
Carbon pricing vs. Carbon is one of the most abundant elements, CO2 is plant food, and Why must Canada lead the way on this scam?
Hydro pricing vs. Send the Liberals over Niagara in a windmill.


This here is pretty much it. Even my most die-hard coworkers seem to understand that we're going to be eating up this wage increase (recalling I work in the public sector, for now). Same with the carbon tax, they all get that it's a scam to enrich the powerful and corrupt.

DBenn
08-29-2017, 06:33 AM
Every time the minimum wage went up since 1970 the sky was predicted to fall and the oceans would burn.

I'm not going to get too excited about it. :)

Waterloomike
08-29-2017, 06:38 AM
Every time the minimum wage went up since 1970 the sky was predicted to fall and the oceans would burn.

I'm not going to get too excited about it. :)

That's pretty much what everybody says about everything, until the bucket tips right over.

When should they be held accountable? When the oceans burn?

DBenn
08-29-2017, 06:43 AM
That's pretty much what everybody says about everything, until the bucket tips right over.

When should they be held accountable? When the oceans burn?

The bucket won't tip since it's always half full anyway.

Waterloomike
08-29-2017, 07:22 AM
The bucket won't tip since it's always half full anyway.

Ok, lets say it's half full.

What about if it leaks?

Like it is now. Every government in the world is broke and deeply in debt.

Canada is headed right into the blackhole of debt.

All I'm pointing out is that our ruin will come about in increments. This is a pretty big leap.

No single action will likely do it.

But we will be bled to death by a thousand tiny cuts. This one is not that tiny.

Enjoy your day Nothing offensive intended.

DBenn
08-29-2017, 07:36 AM
Ok, lets say it's half full.

What about if it leaks?

Like it is now. Every government in the world is broke and deeply in debt.

Canada is headed right into the blackhole of debt.

All I'm pointing out is that our ruin will come about in increments. This is a pretty big leap.

No single action will likely do it.

But we will be bled to death by a thousand tiny cuts. This one is not that tiny.

Enjoy your day Nothing offensive intended.

Oh no I'm not offended in anyway.

It's just that I've heard it all before over the last 50 or so years.

I used to worry about it all as well but then I learned to take matters into my own hands and double down to improve my lot in life.

Been retired for 15 years now and having fun. Retired early at 60 with only my own investments and no company pension.

soulchaser
08-29-2017, 07:47 AM
Every time the minimum wage went up since 1970 the sky was predicted to fall and the oceans would burn.

I'm not going to get too excited about it. :)

The difference is, this isn't a minimum wage bump of $0.50 or $0.75 an hour every few years like those in the past.

It's a bump of nearly $4.00 in a very, very short amount of time.

Waterloomike
08-29-2017, 07:51 AM
Oh no I'm not offended in anyway.

It's just that I've heard it all before over the last 50 or so years.

I used to worry about it all as well but then I learned to take matters into my own hands and double down to improve my lot in life.

Been retired for 15 years now and having fun. Retired early at 60 with only my own investments and no company pension.

I'm happy for you.

Rory McCanuck
08-29-2017, 09:46 AM
Ok, lets say it's half full.

What about if it leaks?

Like it is now. Every government in the world is broke and deeply in debt.

Canada is headed right into the blackhole of debt.

All I'm pointing out is that our ruin will come about in increments. This is a pretty big leap.

No single action will likely do it.

But we will be bled to death by a thousand tiny cuts. This one is not that tiny.

Enjoy your day Nothing offensive intended.
If you are interested at all in history, this is a very informative and entertaining talk.
If you crank up the speed to 1.5x it's only about 45 minutes long, but it will keep your attention all the way.
He says it was much the same thing, it wasn't Global Warming**™, drought, famine, invasion etc. that brought down the ancient world, it was a combination of several things.
In history it is hard to pinpoint the exact trigger to events, it is usually a buildup of several things over a period of time.
I feel that things have been building up for some time.
Of course, people have been saying that since the beginning of time, so take it for what it's worth...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4

Waterloomike
08-29-2017, 10:15 AM
I'll watch that.

History is one of humanity's most intriguing facets.

One thing for certain, what we're doing, can't go on forever.

Somethings gotta give.

RangeBob
08-29-2017, 08:36 PM
Minimum wage ...

I remember when my bank had human tellers,
my supermarket had cash register operators,
my gas station had an attendant who filled the tank,
the local hotels had doormen,
the police investigated burglaries,
...

Waterloomike
08-29-2017, 10:33 PM
Minimum wage ...

I remember when my bank had human tellers,
my supermarket had cash register operators,
my gas station had an attendant who filled the tank,
the local hotels had doormen,
the police investigated burglaries,
...

And they all took pride and responsibility for what they did or they didn't last. For far less than $15/hr.

Now, they're entitled to be there, stay there and demand more.

Waterloomike
08-29-2017, 10:37 PM
If you are interested at all in history, this is a very informative and entertaining talk.
If you crank up the speed to 1.5x it's only about 45 minutes long, but it will keep your attention all the way.
He says it was much the same thing, it wasn't Global Warming**, drought, famine, invasion etc. that brought down the ancient world, it was a combination of several things.
In history it is hard to pinpoint the exact trigger to events, it is usually a buildup of several things over a period of time.
I feel that things have been building up for some time.
Of course, people have been saying that since the beginning of time, so take it for what it's worth...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4

Very interesting. A should watch video for sure.

We have more things going on than they did then.

We're due or overdue.