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awndray
03-21-2018, 06:55 AM
BBC


Canada introduces new gun control measures

Canada's federal Liberals have unveiled long-awaited gun control measures.

They include tougher background checks, including screening people with a history of violence.

Proposed measures also include making retailers keep records of gun inventories and sales and giving police access to the records when warranted.

Crime rates in Canada have been on a long decline but gun-related homicides and gun violence have increased.

The party campaigned in 2015 on a promise to make it harder to procure and use handguns and assault weapons.

Gun violence in Canada is much lower than in the United States, but higher than in Europe and other many Western countries.

Firearm offences have also been on the rise in Canada in recent years.

In 2016, here were 2,465 criminal violations involving firearms, an increase of 30% since 2013, according to federal government figures.

Toronto, Canada's largest city, has seen a steady increase in gun violence, with 392 shootings in 2017.

Of all the murders in the US in 2012, 60% were by firearm compared with 31% in Canada.

However, 18.2% of the murders in Australia were committed with guns and 10% in the UK.

Gun control has often sparked divisive debates in Canada, which has a large rural population where guns are widely owned and used.

The new measures could cost the Liberals support in rural ridings in the coming 2019 federal election.

Federal Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said on Tuesday the government is protecting the rights of legal gun owners and called the legislation "a sensible, practical package".

Proposed measures include:

Ensuring buyers show valid licenses when transferring firearm ownership
Enhanced background checks for licenses will look at a person's entire life history, including a criminal record search and screening for mental illness associated with violence
Requiring authorisation for transporting legally owned restricted and prohibited firearms like handguns and assault weapons

Rod Giltaca, with the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights advocacy group, said he has some initial concerns with the newly tabled legislation.

He is concerned by the provision that hands full authority of gun classifications - as non-restricted, restricted, or prohibited - over to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).

Owners of restricted and prohibited firearms require additional safety training. The guns must also be registered and their use is limited to certain activities, like target practice.

The previous Conservative government ensured Cabinet had the ability to overrule the RCMP after the force made some controversial classification decisions.

Mr Giltaca said verifying someone has a valid license when a firearm is transferred between owners "is reasonable".

Gun control advocates raised concerns the new bill does not go far enough in addressing all aspects of gun violence in Canada.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43475403

awndray
03-21-2018, 06:57 AM
New York Times


Canada Plans to Tighten Gun Reviews and Records

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government proposed legislation on Tuesday to restore record-keeping requirements for some rifle and shotgun sales in Canada and to expand background checks for all gun owners in the country.

“Hard evidence shows a gun violence issue that is serious,” Ralph Goodale, the public safety minister, told reporters outside the House of Commons, citing increases in several categories of gun-related crimes, including a two-thirds rise in gun-related homicides.

Several members of the government, including Mr. Trudeau on social media, pointed out that the legislation did not bring back the much-debated national registry of rifles and shotguns, which was eliminated by the previous Conservative government six years ago.

Their assurances did little to assuage the concerns of some gun owners who objected to the new record-keeping.

“The long-gun registry is back,” Blair Hagen, the vice president of Canada’s National Firearms Association, told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. “The government has just reignited the firearms issue in Canada again.”

The registry, introduced by a Liberal government in 1995 in response to a mass shooting of students at an engineering school in Montreal, was unpopular in rural areas and in many Indigenous communities. It was also plagued by computer problems and cost overruns.

But many police forces and some provinces had campaigned vigorously to keep the long-gun registry, and Quebec introduced its own this year. Handguns, semiautomatic and automatic weapons have continued to be registered with the federal government, but Mr. Goodale said that most firearms in Canada were rifles and shotguns.

In a series of posts on Twitter promoting the legislation, Mr. Trudeau tried to strike a balance.

“We’re taking action for common-sense gun control, better background checks, and safer communities — while protecting the rights of law-abiding gun owners,” Mr. Trudeau wrote.

Under the measure, stores will have to indefinitely maintain records of every gun they sell and the gun license number of every purchaser. The government will not have access to those records, but police forces will be able to examine them with a court order.

The measure leaves one significant gap: It would not impose a recordkeeping requirement on guns sales between individuals. But individual sellers, as well as stores, would be required to confirm with the government the validity of buyers’ mandatory gun licenses before completing any sale.

The bill will also expand the review of gun license applications. Only violent crimes or behavior, crimes involving firearms and violent episodes related to mental illness going back five years are currently considered. The new law will extend the review of those factors to the lifetime of license applicants.

The legislation will make it more difficult for some owners to transport some kinds of guns without permission and will reclassify two broad types of rifles to restrict their sale and ownership.

The Liberals’ majority in the House of Commons ensures that the legislation will ultimately pass, although Conservative members of the unelected Senate could prolong the final approval.

Mr. Goodale acknowledged that the changes are likely to dissatisfy some gun owners and gun-control advocates.

“I’ve watched this issue for 40 years,” Mr. Goodale said. “There will be people who argue strenuously that what we’re doing today is not nearly enough, and there will be those who will argue exactly the opposite.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/world/canada/gun-control.html

awndray
03-21-2018, 06:58 AM
Reuters


Crime spike prompts Canada to unveil tougher gun control steps

Canada’s Liberal government unveiled proposals on Tuesday to tighten already tough gun control laws to address a spike in crimes involving firearms, including a deadly attack on a mosque last year.

The measures include enhanced background checks on people seeking to buy firearms, especially those with a history of violence. They also would oblige retailers to maintain adequate records of inventories and sales.

Although Canada has much stricter firearms restrictions than the United States, Ottawa says crimes involving guns rose 30 percent from 2013 to 2016. Gun homicides jumped 66 percent in the same period.

“Hard evidence shows a gun violence issue that is serious, getting worse, and not confined to big cities,” Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale told reporters when unveiling draft legislation that contained the proposals.

Six people died when a gunman attacked a Quebec City mosque last year.

Experts say that although Canada’s gun laws ban dozens of assault rifles, some permitted firearms are easily modified for greater damage, and lax U.S. regulations make smuggled weapons accessible.

The Liberals promised last month to spend C$327.6 million ($250.4 million) over five years to tighten border security to block the illegal trafficking of guns and drugs.

The measures outlined on Tuesday could prompt voter anger against Liberal legislators in rural parliamentary constituencies who will face off against the official opposition Conservatives in the October 2019 election.

The National Firearms Association said it would campaign against what it called seriously misguided legislation.

“Firearms owners and users in Canada when motivated are a very strong political force,” association president Sheldon Clare said in a statement.

Conservative public safety spokesman Pierre Paul-Hus said the measures “treat law-abiding firearms owners as criminals.”

The Conservatives promise to resist attempts to recreate a federal registry of shotguns and rifles that was set up after a gunman killed 14 women in 1989.

The then-Conservative government abolished the registry in 2012, arguing it was wasteful and did nothing to cut crime.

Goodale said the government would not recreate the registry. Asked about possible electoral losses, he noted there had been extensive public consultations and added: “We think the balance we have stuck represents a good strong Canadian consensus.”

Canadian gun owners must obtain licenses and go through safety training and extensive checks. A restricted class of guns must be registered for tracking, while fully automatic weapons are prohibited.

The AR-15 assault-style rifle, used in several recent U.S. massacres, is heavily restricted. Owners are subject to particularly thorough tests and verification measures, a government official told reporters on Tuesday.
https://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCAKBN1GW27Y-OCADN

awndray
03-21-2018, 07:00 AM
MSN


Canada unveils slightly stricter gun laws

The Canadian government unveiled slightly stricter gun laws on Tuesday that include enhanced background checks and restrictions on who can own firearms, in response to a spike in gang-related gun crimes.

Checks used to go back only five years but now will look at a person's entire "life history" before a gun ownership license is issued, according to the draft legislation.

Persons with a mental illness linked to violence, who have a history of violence or have been convicted of criminal offenses such as harassment or drug trafficking would be prohibited from owning a gun.

Vendors would also be obliged to verify the validity of buyers' firearm licenses before completing a transaction, and keep a sales record for 20 years -- which would be accessible by police authorized by the courts.

The legislation would not add to the current list of restricted or prohibited weapons. Instead it would put the onus on federal police to make decisions on gun classifications in order to remove political interference.

"While Canada is one of the safest countries in the world, increased gun crime has caused too much violence and taken too many lives in communities of all kinds," Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said in a statement.

"With this legislation and our other measures, we are taking concrete steps to make our country less vulnerable to the scourge of gun violence, while being fair to responsible, law-abiding firearms owners and businesses," he said.

The proposed law comes as Canada's overall crime rate continues to fall, but gun crimes are on the rise.

According to government statistics, the number of crimes involving guns increased 30 percent to 2,465 from 2013 to 2016, while gun homicides (many of them involving gangs) rose by two-thirds to 223.

Most firearms owned by Canadians are non-restricted long guns such as hunting rifles and shotguns.

For the most part, handguns, semi-automatics or fully automatic firearms are already restricted or prohibited.

Under the new law, two groups of guns (Swiss and Czech assault rifles) that were downgraded by the previous Tory administration in 2015 would be relisted at a higher classification.

However, owners would be allowed to keep them under a grandfather clause as long as they followed the new classification rules limiting their use to activities such as target practice or as part of a collection.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canada-unveils-slightly-stricter-gun-laws/ar-BBKtLfN

Doug_M
03-21-2018, 07:01 AM
"They include tougher background checks, including screening people with a history of violence."

OMG, you mean before this bill we didn't screen for people with a history of violence! Wow! :rolleyes:

awndray
03-21-2018, 07:03 AM
Global


‘It’s civil disarmament’: Canadian gun owners blast proposed new gun control laws

The federal Liberal government has tabled sweeping new gun control legislation, and some Canadian firearms owners are not pleased.

Among the proposed new regulations are lifetime background checks, a requirement that vendors keep records for 20 years, and a requirement to present a license when buying rifles and shotguns.

Sheldon Clare, president of the National Firearms Association, says the rules will do nothing to stop crime and will hurt law-abiding gun owners.

“I think its nonsense. It’s another unnecessary set of firearms control regulations and regime that will have nothing whatsoever to do with preventing any crime,” Clare told CKNW’s The Simi Sara Show.

Clare argued that background checks do little or nothing to predict future behaviour, and said that extending them from the current five-years to a full lifetime is unfair to people that have made mistakes in the past, but have changed.

He said tying mental-health red flags to those long-term checks could also be unfair to returning Canadian soldiers.

“[They] may have been considered to have been associated with violence and have suffered from post traumatic stress disorder because of that, and I think an awful lot of them are going to think twice before they seek medical help,” he said.

Clare also argued that the statistics do not back up the effectiveness of gun control.

“The Canadian research is very clear that none of the Canadian firearms control regimes from the 1970s forward to 2008 have had any effect whatsoever on crime rates, violent crimes, spousal violence or anything to do with firearms issues,” Clare said.

That view is controversial. Canada introduced a slew of gun control measures between 1976 and the present, including the requirement for gun owners to have a license, tightened background checks, waiting periods and restrictions on automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines.

According to Statistics Canada, over that same period both firearm-related and non-firearm-related homicides have dropped. However, gun-related homicides fell by 45 per cent, while those not involving a firearm fell just 22 per cent.

Clare, however, attributes recent declines in crime rates to demographic shifts, with baby-boomer men ageing out of their violent years.

But while Clare argues the new gun control rules will do nothing to affect violent crime, he said they will have significant impacts on law-abiding citizens.

Gun registry?

While the federal government insists the new rules do not include a gun registry, Clare argued the enhanced record keeping on sales could create a database that would be shared with other levels of government, amounting to a de-facto registration system.

“Which, historically, has only been used for one purpose, and that is to take away people’s property when the government decides citizens should not have it. It’s civil disarmament.”

The rules appear designed to intentionally push people away from legal gun ownership, he added, and said the record-keeping provisions would also hurt business and events like gun shows.

“It just adds another bureaucratic and unnecessary step,” he said. “I’ve been at many gun shows and I’ve never been in a safer place in the country.”

Clare further argued that nothing in the new rules will prevent suicides, which make up a large proportion of gun-related deaths.

He said that instead of tightening gun laws, the government should focus its efforts on anti-bullying activities and initiatives to identify people who are in mental crisis and need help.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4095966/canada-gun-control/

awndray
03-21-2018, 07:06 AM
Global

LISTEN: A pro-gun perspective on Canada’s proposed new gun control laws

https://omny.fm/shows/the-simi-sara-show/a-pro-gun-perspective-on-prime-minister-trudeau-s

LISTEN: Canada In Need Of Tougher Gun Laws?

https://omny.fm/shows/steele-drex/canada-in-need-of-tougher-gun-laws

blacksmithden
03-21-2018, 08:19 AM
‘It’s civil disarmament’: Canadian gun owners blast proposed new gun control laws

It's only civil disarmament if the government orders us to turn in our guns AND WE COMPLY. Yeah..that last part might be a bit of an issue for the government where a lot of us are concerned, and I think they know it.

BaBam
03-21-2018, 10:39 AM
It's only civil disarmament if the government orders us to turn in our guns AND WE COMPLY. Yeah..that last part might be a bit of an issue for the government where a lot of us are concerned, and I think they know it.

It is their "death by a thousand cuts" strategy, and it is working. A lot of people are happy right now with the fact that it wasn't a lot worse, as if moving towards a police run state is a good thing. Do they teach world history in school? :mad:

Doug_M
03-21-2018, 10:53 AM
Do they teach world history in school? :mad:

No they don't. What they teach these days is that colonialism was bad and that everyone other than Europeans and their descendants are victims. I am not kidding. This is what they are teaching my son in middle school (I'm setting the record straight at home of course).

BaBam
03-21-2018, 11:14 AM
No they don't. What they teach these days is that colonialism was bad and that everyone other than Europeans and their descendants are victims. I am not kidding. This is what they are teaching my son in middle school (I'm setting the record straight at home of course).

Sounds like you have a big job every day then, is it any better in private school?

We seem to be on a runaway train headed for something similar to 1930s Germany but with modern surveillance technology and propaganda.

firemachine69
03-21-2018, 11:45 AM
No they don't. What they teach these days is that colonialism was bad and that everyone other than Europeans and their descendants are victims. I am not kidding. This is what they are teaching my son in middle school (I'm setting the record straight at home of course).



Japan went from horses and carriages to high speed trains in just a little over a hundred years.


Most of the Middle East and Africa live in mud huts (or similar), with the lowest IQ of humankind.


That is not just a mere coincidence.

chuckbuster
03-21-2018, 01:17 PM
Reuters


https://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCAKBN1GW27Y-OCADN

“Extensive public consultations”?! What the hell is Goodale talking about?

GTW
03-21-2018, 01:22 PM
“Extensive public consultations”?! What the hell is Goodale talking about?

He's lying - his lips are moving. A waste of oxygen.

CLW .45
03-22-2018, 10:27 PM
It's only civil disarmament if the government orders us to turn in our guns AND WE COMPLY. Yeah..that last part might be a bit of an issue for the government where a lot of us are concerned, and I think they know it.

Wrong!

You are disarmed, from the point of view of the gun grabbers, if you do not lawfully possess firearms.

Their goal is for that to be complete by mid century.

They don’t give a rare rat’s backside about guns you keep in defiance of the law.

A friend explained how he couldn’t get out of East Germany quickly enough in the fifties.

No one spoke while riding public transit, as they feared that someone might turn them in to the secret police for even an innocent remark.

And you will live with the same kind of fear if you fail to comply.

Not that millions of Europeans haven’t gone the non compliance route.

They certainly have, and most have suffered no consequences.

But their governments consider them to be disarmed, because they are unable to use their firearms, often unable even to remove them from their hiding places.

I’d say they are disarmed.

shootemup604
03-23-2018, 07:48 AM
A friend explained how he couldn’t get out of East Germany quickly enough in the fifties.

No one spoke while riding public transit, as they feared that someone might turn them in to the secret police for even an innocent remark.

And you will live with the same kind of fear if you fail to comply.

We don't have the secret police today, but we do have human rights kangaroo courts

GTW
03-23-2018, 07:49 AM
Civil disarmament is a terrifying prospect.
Especially when the predators will still have guns.

Grimlock
03-23-2018, 07:57 AM
We don't have the secret police today, but we do have human rights kangaroo courts

Maybe we do, and they're so secret we don't even know it. [adjusts velostat hat]