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CLW .45
03-31-2018, 12:34 PM
This thread should not be necessary, but...

It seems that some have strange ideas where firearms legislation is concerned.

Let’s be clear.

When new legislation, containing more restrictions on the innocent, is passed.

- Loss

When new legislation, containing more restrictions on the innocent, is stopped.

- Draw

When new legislation, repealing restrictions on the innocent, is passed.

- Win

Waterloomike
04-07-2018, 03:40 AM
We never win, draws are very rare.

enfield93
04-07-2018, 09:26 AM
It is a loss when innocents get punished for what gangs and criminals do.

Doug_M
04-07-2018, 10:07 AM
We never win, draws are very rare.

The repeal of the LGR was definitely a win. Just think of all the non-restricted SA and CZ's that can quietly "survive" this government in a state of non-compliance because that registry is gone.

CLW .45
04-07-2018, 10:20 AM
We never win, draws are very rare.

C-19, which ended the nonrestricted registry, was a win.

And not so much because it ended registration, owners are registered by licencing.

It was a win because the restriction requiring permission to complete a transfer ended.

C-71 not only brings that back, it pushes some $15,000,000 worth of hunting and target rifles into the abyss.

And it extends the plausible deniability, of confiscation without compensation, by appeasing the dim witted into believing they are blessed by being “grandfathered.”

I was blessed each time a grandchild was born.

“Grandfathering” is not even in the same universe!

Doug_M
04-07-2018, 10:30 AM
And it extends the plausible deniability, of confiscation without compensation, by appeasing the dim witted into believing they are blessed by being “grandfathered.”

Yeah I just don't get that. Some seem to think it is a "badge of honour". It is simply confiscation without compensation by the government. Nothing more, nothing less. And an outrage to all Canadians.

lone-wolf
04-07-2018, 10:35 AM
Yeah I just don't get that. Some seem to think it is a "badge of honour". It is simply confiscation without compensation by the government. Nothing more, nothing less. And an outrage to all Canadians.

I take some smug joy in the fact that when they go to sell their registered paperweight, the only people who can buy it are others who already own one.

CLW .45
04-07-2018, 10:39 AM
It is a loss when innocents get punished for what gangs and criminals do.

It is indeed.

However, if that were the reason for C-71, we could defeat it quite handily.

It is not.

We, as a nation, stand at the very edge of a precipice.

History shows that rape, murder, indeed genocide are likely at the bottom.

Disarmament will push us over.

And where are we in the fool’s rush to disarmament?

A great many of our firearms have been dumped into the abyss of prohibition.

Huge numbers have been pushed to the edge of the abyss by restriction on use, carriage, and possession.

The remainder, the not yet restricted, are being loaded onto the transports as you read.

It isn’t about gangs or criminals.

It is simply about disarming you.

And that means denying you lawful access to weapons.

Keep your weapons if you wish, they don’t care.

You become a criminal, and they will deal with you if and when it pleases them.

Waterloomike
04-07-2018, 10:44 AM
C-19, which ended the nonrestricted registry, was a win.

And not so much because it ended registration, owners are registered by licencing.

It was a win because the restriction requiring permission to complete a transfer ended.

C-71 not only brings that back, it pushes some $15,000,000 worth of hunting and target rifles into the abyss.

And it extends the plausible deniability, of confiscation without compensation, by appeasing the dim witted into believing they are blessed by being “grandfathered.”

I was blessed each time a grandchild was born.

“Grandfathering” is not even in the same universe!

It would have been much more of a "win" if ownership was decriminalized.

Doug_M
04-07-2018, 11:18 AM
It isn’t about gangs or criminals.

It is simply about disarming you.

That's right. The Firearms Act, created from bill C-68, was intended to reduce firearms ownership to the eventual point of zero. There are prominent Liberals of the time stating as such (RB, where's that quote from the woman [MP, Lib Senator?] who stated complete disarmament was the goal?).

If this current Liberal government is to be believed that they are NOT following that original purpose of the Firearms Act then they would not be removing the part the CPC added allowing a government to OIC "downwards" from prohibited and restricted to non-restricted. The fact they are removing that is ALL one needs to know about their long term goal. It is complete civil disarmament in x many generations (what are we down to now, one), and if you don't believe that you are a fool.

CLW .45
04-07-2018, 02:50 PM
It would have been much more of a "win" if ownership was decriminalized.

Absolutely.

A win occurs any time a restriction is repealed, without another being added.

C-42 was a loss.

LB303
04-07-2018, 10:30 PM
You know it's bad when the Yanks take notice of what's going on up here
Canada’s Bill C-71: Reducing Crime by Targeting Honest Citizens
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180406/canada-s-bill-c-71-reducing-crime-by-targeting-honest-citizens