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RangeBob
05-29-2018, 11:47 PM
[from CGN]

Glen Motz complains about the wording of
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/bill-c71-projet-de-loi/index-eng.htm
specifically that it assumes Bill C71 has already passed, and requires citizens and businesses to do things that are not yet Law.
Calls that Contempt Of Parliament, because it assumes that the future efforts of Parliament are irrelevant.

following May 29th session (today) of Question Period. Mr. Motz was well prepared, and I'd say he addressed the speaker for a good twenty minutes regarding the changes made to the RCMP website prior to C71 being passed.

He was well prepared with good notes, and some really great examples in the past of house rulings in matters that were ultimately less serious than this.

I'm not sure of the house rules in something like this, but I think the Speaker is obligated to address the issue?

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Here's the link. If it doesn't go right to it, go to approximately 15:13

http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20180529/-1/29414?useragent=Mozilla/5.0%20(Windows%20NT%206.1;%20Win64;%20x64)%20Apple WebKit/537.36%20(KHTML,%20like%20Gecko)%20Chrome/66.0.3359.181%20Safari/537.36

Grimlock
05-30-2018, 06:19 AM
I have the tiniest woody.

shortandlong
05-30-2018, 06:40 AM
very good on his part but the fact is nobody but us cares........keep fighting , something will break eventually

Gunrunner
05-30-2018, 01:59 PM
The Liberals have a majority and most of the general public support it so c71 is pretty well a done deal but it isn't good form for the RCMP to be posting stuff on their site as if c71 was proclaimed law.
They're jumping the gun (pun intended) somewhat.

shortandlong
05-30-2018, 02:32 PM
And the RCMP will be punished by........

RangeBob
05-30-2018, 02:38 PM
And the RCMP will be punished by........

The April 10, 2008 case involved Royal Canadian Mounted Police deputy commissioner Barbara George who was cited for contempt for deliberately misleading a parliamentary committee over an income trust scandal. She was ultimately found in contempt but was not punished further than the motion itself.
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Parliament#Contempt_citation_cases_for _individuals

Gunrunner
05-30-2018, 03:38 PM
And the RCMP will be punished by........

This is a fill in the blank that stays blank because it involves the only group in Canada with diminished civil rights because they’ve demonstrated many times that they’ll take a screwing and then bend over for more and take it OFTEN, DRY & DEEP.
If you haven’t guessed that group is legal gun owners.
CFO & RCMP largess, punitive charter violating gun laws like c68, high river ... UNCHALLENGED. :rolleyes:

FallisCowboy
05-31-2018, 11:07 AM
The horsyboys have been allowed to break the law for so long now without any repercussions; IMHO they are beyond redemption. They need to be dissolved/disbanded in disgrace. This is unfortunate for all those that served and still serve in the finest traditions begun by the NWMP, a once honorable institution corrupted by uncontrolled power.

RangeBob
06-01-2018, 08:53 PM
RCMP Alters Bill C-71 Website After MP Questions Appropriateness
https://thegunblog.ca/2018/05/30/rcmp-alters-bill-c-71-website-after-mp-questions-appropriateness

shortandlong
06-03-2018, 07:10 PM
The April 10, 2008 case involved Royal Canadian Mounted Police deputy commissioner Barbara George who was cited for contempt for deliberately misleading a parliamentary committee over an income trust scandal. She was ultimately found in contempt but was not punished further than the motion itself.
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Parliament#Contempt_citation_cases_for _individuals

Gods cant be punished they are mt olympus..........sad really but true

RangeBob
06-20-2018, 07:51 PM
2018/06/20
Ottawa, Ontario

Commons Speaker Geoff Regan has ruled the RCMP could be found in contempt of Parliament over advice to firearm owners and gun shops on rifle prohibitions under new gun law amendments.

Regan said language the national police force had used assumed the government’s bill to bring in new controls over gun sales had already been approved by the Commons – when it had not yet passed through committee hearings.

Responding to a complaint from Alberta Conservative MP Glen Motz, Regan said the RCMP acted in a “careless manner” by posting advice to gun owners and businesses that made it seem as if Bill C-71 had already become law.

The Commons referred the incident to the Procedure and House Affairs Committee for investigation on a motion from Motz.

In his ruling, Regan dismissed RCMP attempts to duck the issue quickly by changing the wording on its Canadian Firearms Program web site the same day Motz made his complaint in the Commons.

After the Mountie web site adjustments, Liberal MP Mark Holland, the Parliamentary secretary to Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, had urged Regan to dismiss the contempt allegations because “the matter raised was simply one of debate as there was clearly no presumption of anything in the information respecting Bill C-71 on the RCMP website.”

The dispute centres on a clause in the gun legislation that would prohibit specific models of controversial semi-automatic rifles imported from Czechoslovakia and Switzerland.

The controversy goes back to 2015, when the former Conservative cabinet amended the Firearms Act to give cabinet authority to overrule RCMP firearms classifications that prohibited the Swiss and Czech rifles, after the Mounties had earlier classified the guns as either non-restricted or restricted – and therefore legal to own in Canada.

Bill C-71 proposes to amend the Criminal Code to repeal the Conservative changes that gave the new override power to cabinet, and the bill also proposes to prohibit all 16 of the Swiss Arms guns the Conservatives legalized and most of the Czech CZ 858 rifles listed in the bill.

An RCMP bulletin to firearm retailers in April, shortly after Goodale tabled the legislation in late March, advised “businesses will need to determine if their firearm(s) will be affected by these changes.”

It also said outright that the Swiss weapons will also be prohibited.

A separate RCMP web post for individual gun owners stated “If your SA (Swiss Arms) firearm was listed in Bill C-71, it will be classified as a prohibited firearm.”
The legislation includes a “grandfathering” clause for current owners of any of the rifles that would be prohibited.

Anyone who legally owns the newly prohibited rifles as of June 30 would be able to continue to legally own them should the legislation become law.

“Parliament’s authority in scrutinizing and adopting legislative proposals remains unquestionable and should not be taken for granted,” Regan said in his ruling Tuesday.
“The Chair is troubled by the careless manner in which the RCMP chose to ignore this vital fact and, for more than three weeks, allowed citizens and retailers to draw improper conclusions as to their obligations under the law,” Regan said.

“Changing the website after the fact does little to alleviate these concerns. Parliamentarians and citizens should be able to trust that officials responsible for disseminating information related to legislation are paying attention to what is happening in Parliament and are providing a clear and accurate history of the bills in question.”

“Accordingly, the Chair finds this to be a prima facie matter of contempt of the House,” said Regan. “I invite the member … to move the appropriate motion.”

Motz and other Conservative MPs used a subsequent debate over Motz’ motion to denounce the new firearm bill.

hxxps://ipolitics.ca/2018/06/20/rcmp-web-posts-on-gun-bill-careless-and-could-be-contempt-of-parliament-speaker/

762shooter
06-20-2018, 08:48 PM
And the RCMP will be punished by........

Disbanding them would be good!