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Calibre
02-13-2019, 05:59 PM
Well, we recently had the closest thing to a non-res AR come through the office, alongside the closest thing to a non-res AK on hand as well. One impressed... one didn't.

The ATRS gun is exactly as advertised. In use, it's very familiar, and we didn't have any surprises when we built it.

The M10x on the other hand was pretty surprising. We got some pretty middling accuracy results, and when we saw that we dug into it and found the outer and inner receivers were able to shift ever so slightly, meaning the part your optic was attached to and the part the bullet came out of can shift during firing. That's a pretty bog faux pas on a rifle marketed as a DMR.

https://calibremag.ca/almost-rifles-the-atrs-modern-sporter-vs-mm-m10x/

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https://calibremag.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ATRS-Modern-Sporter.jpg

https://calibremag.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/M10x.jpg

lone-wolf
02-13-2019, 06:28 PM
but dat dmr safety tho

Calibre
02-13-2019, 07:57 PM
but dat dmr safety tho

I know, right. It's amazing that the safety alone can't overpower the weird receiver design and inherently very non-DMR round it's chambered in to make it a viable DMR... but alas, not even the DMR safety can accomplish so much.

WSA
02-13-2019, 08:19 PM
What components were used, please

Calibre
02-13-2019, 08:24 PM
What components were used, please

What do you mean?

Mark-II
02-13-2019, 11:29 PM
What do you mean?

Parts used on the ATRS, I think he means. That'd be my question anyway.

The M&M though... Looks overpriced at what it was supposed to sell for before some folks saw it as a license to print money. So innovative that it can't keep its sights true...

Jay.ec
02-14-2019, 12:16 AM
If memory serves the M+M M10x had a rough start getting here. Wanstalls had a pre-sale for approx $1500 then was sent to North Sylvia instead for $2000. I can't recall if Wanstalls actually were able to get the rifles and send them to people for the promised $1500 or if they got bumped to $2000 or whether they had to cancel the all the pre-orders. Either way, controversy.

Personally I'd rather the ATRS over the M10x. Visually the ATRS just looks nicer. Plus being "not-an-AR" and using virtually all the parts of one gives it so much more flexibility in looks.

hawk-i
02-14-2019, 07:31 AM
Thanks for the review... the BCL Badger is claiming 1 MOA accuracy. :)

WSA
02-14-2019, 10:12 AM
What do you mean?

What were The components you used to assemble the ATRS rifle?

play.soccer
02-14-2019, 10:26 AM
What barrel on the ATRS?

Camo tung
02-14-2019, 11:28 AM
What were The components you used to assemble the ATRS rifle?

I took the comment to mean that Calibre received a sample of each rifle, tore each one done for a snoop through the internals, then reassembled them checking for fit and finish.

lone-wolf
02-14-2019, 11:36 AM
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Modern SporterAvailable as a receiver set for $995, we got the full ownership experience with a prototype receiver and the help of Canadian Cowboy Tactical Supplies, who outfitted us with a Faxon Gunner 20” barrel ($310), a Rainier Arms Night Rail ($400), a Griffin Armament flash hider/comp $160), A Bravo Company PNT trigger ($100), a mil-spec buffer tube kit ($65), a CMMG Gunbuilders lower parts kit ($80), an Anderson bolt carrier group ($230), a Rainier Arms low-profile gas block ($65), a Bravo Company charging handle ($80), and Magpul MOE furniture ($87). All told, there are $1,577 worth of parts hanging off this $995 receiver set, making this a $2,572 rifle.

play.soccer
02-14-2019, 11:39 AM
snip

Not to mention that elcan slapped on top

lone-wolf
02-14-2019, 11:53 AM
It's interesting they got their best group from a steel cased 'match' cartridge, 75gr bullet too
I would of guessed any one of those things would of been unlikely to be the best grouping, but together they were.

Calibre
02-14-2019, 05:45 PM
Not to mention that elcan slapped on top

That little guy?

I wouldn't worry about that little guy.

Canadianforfreedom
02-17-2019, 06:04 PM
So would you say it could go head to head with a similar priced Ar ? Or does it aspire to be an Ar

Calibre
02-19-2019, 02:41 PM
So would you say it could go head to head with a similar priced Ar ? Or does it aspire to be an Ar

The ATRS gun doesn't go head-to-head with similarly priced ARs because it's definitely carrying a lot more financial weight in the receiver set than the average AR, if that makes sense? Like, you could build two identical guns with the exact same parts; one on an ATRS Modern Sporter receiver and one a conventional AR receiver, and they will function the exact same and perform identically. But the ATRS rile's price tag will probably be at least $500 more. If you found an AR that cost as much as the Modern Sporter, I suspect you'd find the AR-15 to be a pretty premium product that was more reliable, durable, or somehow better than the Modern Sporter's performance. But... you can't take the AR-15 hunting.

Canadianforfreedom
02-19-2019, 03:11 PM
So your buying one ? :) I mean given our non restricted options tavor xcr acr wk180 t97 cz vz x95 the ms has got to be the one you would choose yah ?

Calibre
02-19-2019, 04:31 PM
So your buying one ? :) I mean given our non restricted options tavor xcr acr wk180 t97 cz vz x95 the ms has got to be the one you would choose yah ?

Yes.

Sinbad
02-19-2019, 07:02 PM
So the 2k M10X super DMR disappointed. Well, color me surprised. Sarcasm off.

Mark-II
02-19-2019, 10:00 PM
Thanks for the review... the BCL Badger is claiming 1 MOA accuracy. :)

Didn't the 102 as well? "match chamber" reamed into a mediocre barrel.