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1ABNDT
03-23-2019, 11:43 AM
Good day GOC members, new to the firearms industry and was wondering what tool metrics do
these firearms use. Standard/Metric a combination of both, Thanking you in advance for your time and consideration.

RobertMcC
03-23-2019, 11:54 AM
Go buy a wheelers gunsmithing screw driver set. About 24$ on Amazon for a 23 ish piece set. Non marring hammer ( nylon or rubber ) a small hammer and a punch set. I like having dentist picks, and a stiff bristle tooth brush. Block of soft wood. Needle nose pliers are good. I use forceps.

kennymo
03-23-2019, 12:04 PM
^^ That’s a real good start. The basic Wheeler set will have most of the screwdriver bits, torx and Allen key sizes you’ll come across. And they’re firearm specific (hollow ground, etc...), it’ll take you way further with fewer slips, gouges and scratches that are inevitable with a Canadian Tire set.
I like the Lyman brass tapper hammer and punch set. Has all the basics and non marring hammer faces.
Get a good cleaning rod, avoiding uncoated steel rods. Brass is pretty cost effective. Carbon fibre or coated steel one piece rods if you want to spend a little more. Brushes and jags for whatever calibre/gauge you’re using.
Solvent and gun oil. There’s a million suggestions out there, but some Hoppe’s No.9 and any really light oil will do the trick. I prefer G96 myself, which has some CLP properties as well.

RangeBob
03-23-2019, 12:34 PM
Go buy a wheelers gunsmithing screw driver set. About 24$ on Amazon for a 23 ish piece set.

Wheeler's Screw Driver Sets
26-piece $24 - https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B000RZG5NY
89-piece $110 - https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B001C63M7O

I have some similar sets for other purposes. (e.g. https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00LPIA3T4 )

This looked interesting. Easier to use than the punches I've been using.
Weaver Gunsmithing Hammer and Punch Set
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B004NC3B84





I use forceps.

Original style forceps
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B000OVPCX0

or the smaller/toothed hemostats
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01CZ640RK

And what do you use these for?

RangeBob
03-23-2019, 12:36 PM
Some sort of a cleaning kit. I have one of these and it seems to work ok.

Otis Elite Cleaning System with Optics Cleaning Gear
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B001QVR4K6

ESnel
03-23-2019, 12:44 PM
Proper screwdrivers hollow ground in a range of sizes will prevent the dreaded slip out and scratch left behind.

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awndray
03-23-2019, 01:01 PM
The Wheeler torque wrench is a must. The Wheeler scope mounting kit is also a good idea if you plan on doing scope installations.

Rory McCanuck
03-23-2019, 01:20 PM
A good start

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blacksmithden
03-23-2019, 01:35 PM
A good start

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No vertical knee mill ? No surface grinder ? No TIG welder ? No bluing and electroplating tanks ??????? WTF Rory ?!?!? LOL. ;)

In all seriousness though.....a cleaning kit with rods and various ends in the proper size. I am a big proponent of copper-out products on top of nitro-solvents like Hopps #9. A good supply of lint free cleaning patches. Whatever oil you want to use for lubricating/rust protecting. The other thing I use continuously is a thin pick/rod of some kind for pushing patches into corners and grooves inside the receiver. If you need tools to disassemble your gun to maintain it, like the others have said....get a decent screwdriver set. Those things will get you 99% of the way there.

RobertMcC
03-23-2019, 01:45 PM
Wheeler's Screw Driver Sets
26-piece $24 - https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B000RZG5NY
89-piece $110 - https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B001C63M7O

I have some similar sets for other purposes. (e.g. https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00LPIA3T4 )

This looked interesting. Easier to use than the punches I've been using.
Weaver Gunsmithing Hammer and Punch Set
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B004NC3B84






Original style forceps
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B000OVPCX0

or the smaller/toothed hemostats
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01CZ640RK

And what do you use these for?

Smaller teeth one. Hold springs and such.

RangeBob
03-23-2019, 01:56 PM
If you need tools to disassemble your gun to maintain it

Individual guns sometimes require their own special tool.
ARs for example have a buffer tube nut wrench, which is different for different ARs.

RobertMcC
03-23-2019, 01:59 PM
Individual guns sometimes require their own special tool.
ARs for example have a buffer tube nut wrench, which is different for different ARs.

You're thinking of the barrel nut.. Depends on what hand guard you're running.

RangeBob
03-23-2019, 02:06 PM
You're thinking of the barrel nut.. Depends on what hand guard you're running.
A castle nut.

RobertMcC
03-23-2019, 02:19 PM
A castle nut.


ARs for example have a buffer tube nut wrench, which is different for different ARs.

Buffer tube jam nut, is pretty much standard between all stocks. A semi circle wrench with a tab on it.

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Now Barrel nuts, for aftermarket forearms are different. Either you got a Free Float, or Delta ring ( Handguards ) which there is a standard for the delta ring.

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blacksmithden
03-23-2019, 02:25 PM
One other thing that nobody ever mentions. Find some large clear plastic bags to have on hand. If you're disassembling stuff and it's AT ALL practical to do so, put the gun/part and your hands inside the bag and do it in there. Tiny balls and springs are air soluble, meaning that once they're set free into the air, either by spring pressure, or dropping them, they just dissolve into nothingness, never to be seen again. Extractor springs disappear into carpet like it was the strongest black hole in the universe. The likelihood of things leaving your work bench is directly proportionate to the cost of the part, and how impossible it is to get another one multiplied by the amount you wanted to use the gun the next day. Do your disassembly of fine parts inside a plastic bag and the likelihood of losing stuff decreases by 99%.

RobertMcC
03-23-2019, 02:28 PM
One other thing that nobody ever mentions. Find some large clear plastic bags to have on hand. If you're disassembling stuff and it's AT ALL practical to do so, put the gun/part and your hands inside the bag and do it in there. Tiny balls and springs are air soluble, meaning that once they're set free into the air, either by spring pressure, or dropping them, they just dissolve into nothingness, never to be seen again. Extractor springs disappear into carpet like it was the strongest black hole in the universe. The likelihood of things leaving your work bench is directly proportionate to the cost of the part, and how impossible it is to get another one. Do your disassembly of fine parts inside a plastic bag and the likelihood of losing stuff decreases by 99%.

Magnetic bowl is nice.

blacksmithden
03-23-2019, 02:42 PM
Magnetic bowl is nice.

I wouldn't recommend it due to the fact that parts that get placed against magnets become slightly magnetized themselves and will attract and hold fine iron particles. This isn't a problem most of the time for many....but if you file/grind things in the area, the finer particles will make their way to every magnetized thing in the room eventually. Pick up any magnet in my shop that's been sitting for a while...even the ones in my reloading room, and there's at least a fine layer iron of dust stuck to them. You don't need that grief trying to jam up fine parts that have to move in very tight tolerance holes/groves. I've used plastic bags for disassembly for years, including in my professional life, and it's the way to go. For cover bolts, door pins, or whatever, who cares. Toss them in there. For stuff like transmission valve bodies, diesel injection stuff, and gun parts....plastic bag. :)

awndray
03-23-2019, 02:43 PM
Anyone mention a vice yet?

SteelCap
03-23-2019, 03:21 PM
A pick set would also be useful at times.

JustBen
03-23-2019, 03:26 PM
Anyone mention a vice yet?

Watch the Tipton vices on amazon. I picked up the high end one for $75 last year.

1ABNDT
03-24-2019, 09:51 AM
Wow! , thank you for your suggestions. I have been looking at all the Wheeler products that you gentlemen have stated and now that I have been reassured of the quality,percision, and specific tools for gunsmithing. It time to buy. TY for your time and knowledge.

Justice
03-24-2019, 11:25 AM
You really do not require any tools for "general maintenance". That being the normal regular cleaning. Do not disassemble any firearm, especially the trigger group and bolt, unless you know how to put it back together.
The only thing you'll absolutely require is a cleaning kit. You can get 100's of patches out of a couple yards of 45" wide, remnant, flannelette(Winter pajama cloth. Ask the women working there.) fabric found in any discount fabric shop. Runs less than $10.

Rory McCanuck
03-24-2019, 12:05 PM
However will you figure out if you can put it back together if you don't take it apart?
So many of your posts really confuse me.

1ABNDT
03-24-2019, 12:45 PM
Just awesome feedback guys, l have tools just not specific gunsmithing tools.

RobertMcC
03-24-2019, 12:49 PM
Just awesome feedback guys, l have tools just not specific gunsmithing tools. I have managed to clean, lube, replace the firing pin, chassis, and slide spring on my APX without problems. And disassembled my 1301 to the firing pin and back cleaned and lubed without issue as well. Mind you it was all a challenge, as I only have the 1 arm to work with. But thanks to all the knowledge, experience, and help of my peers I wouldn't have come this far in such a short period of time.

I have had nothing but support from the firearm community's regardless of my disability. From my instructors at my RPAL, to my Gun club, to the organization's at IDPA/IPSC, GOC, I could not have done this without any of you. What a community, an experience, a family, WOW! and this is just the beginning!

If you plan to shoot IPSC. You might want to go into OPEN. When I shot IPSC, we had a guy Mitch. He had a prosthetic arm and leg.. He shot a open div Taurus 92. That had modified with a racker and such to make it easier. He had fun.