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Strewth
01-20-2013, 08:21 PM
Well! Weird day, I must say. My dad called this morning, cleaning out the garage, found some old bullets, would I like them? Why yes! Yes I would, thank you very much.

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/303closedshruk_zpse4760caa.jpg

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/303shrunk_zpsb1310b75.jpg
I see some corrosion, nothing a little scrub can't take of, So I put them away for another day and carry on. Unknown to me my grampa has come over to dad's they got to talking, and grampa showed up at my place just a while ago with a very nice present for me!
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/Enfieldshrunk_zps5d1d0fdd.jpg

My question is this: I know it's a Savage, 1942, flaming bomb means US ordnance, but it still seems in nice shape...except for the painted stock. What do I do about this? If I strip it will I wreck anything? Should I just source new stuff? Where from? How much? I asume more than a can of Xylene or laquer thinner...maybe just leave it alone? I'd like to see what's underneath...

jwirecom109
01-20-2013, 08:26 PM
wow.......... VERY NICE

that beats my 870 wingmaster my dad gave to me today by a mile and a half

Rory McCanuck
01-20-2013, 08:53 PM
DO NOT strip anything.
Please get us a closer pic of what is painted.
Is it the whole thing, painted brown?

Regardless, good on Gramps passing it on to someone that will actually appreciate it.

Strewth
01-20-2013, 08:56 PM
Okay, just a minute
EDIT: OK, snapped some pictures, now I'm waiting for photobucket..apologies to those that hate huge pictures, but I'm not waiting for slow arse photobucket to resize them, and I'm not loving flickr yet...so they're all 1000x700..I'll shrink them later...OK here they are.

Brown paint, after anything was clamped here, no sign of wear:

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/nfieldcloseups007_zpsf742164a.jpg
I'mnot sure if it shows, but past the band the paint isn't under the band (make sense?), so I don't think the wood was removed to paint it:

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/nfieldcloseups005_zpsc26cceec.jpg

No paint in here:
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/nfieldcloseups004_zpsa12bc48a.jpg

Some paint on the front band, on top? Not the best pics:
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/nfieldcloseups002_zps2c55b91c.jpg

Can you see the flaming bomb under 1942?:

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/nfieldcloseups003_zps8ff0e3ee.jpg

What other pictures would you like?

And Jwire, where's the Wingmaster pics? I was lucky enough to receive a piece of history today, but your Wingmaster will be going strong after my Express is history:)

jwirecom109
01-20-2013, 09:48 PM
Ill get some for later for ya

Drache
01-20-2013, 10:07 PM
Very nice! Just get it into shooting condition and have fun!

I received this from my dad which he got from his dad, etc:

http://imageshack.us/a/img27/8787/dscf2996.jpg

BuckingFastard
01-21-2013, 12:16 AM
Leave the metal as is, the stock has been painted so no harm stripping it and refinishing. Nice heirloom, congrats

Canuck
01-21-2013, 12:38 AM
Very cool gift, Strewth. Enjoy, whatever you decide to do with the stock.

Rory McCanuck
01-21-2013, 12:51 AM
Thanks for the close ups, yeah that aint right.
Makes me wonder why it was painted, as in what's being covered up?
Might be something as simple as a very mis-matched wood set.
Seeing the undersides after disassembly might tell the story.

I take it your grandfather wasn't the one that painted it?

Ar180shooter
01-21-2013, 12:56 AM
Very nice!

Prairie Dog
01-21-2013, 01:04 AM
A treasured heirloom to be sure.

Strewth
01-21-2013, 01:12 AM
Thanks for the close ups, yeah that aint right.
Makes me wonder why it was painted, as in what's being covered up?
Might be something as simple as a very mis-matched wood set.
Seeing the undersides after disassembly might tell the story.

I take it your grandfather wasn't the one that painted it?

No, he wasn't, but he's had a couple of rifles around, including some bubba'ed Enfields, and he can't remember anything special about this one. I "ass"ume one of his hunting buddies painted it while bored, and grampa ended up with the rifle. Interesting call on the mismatch, I'll see what I can find there...and then I'll be pestering you all about refinishing:)

Oh, and a place to find a rear sling plate? Is that the right term?

Strewth
01-21-2013, 01:21 AM
A treasured heirloom to be sure.

Oh, man....his son (my uncle) got a couple of heirlooms from grampa's time in the War. He turned around and sold them, but he was the "golden child", so granny and grampa figured he must have had a good reason. Argh. Family.

But yes, this one I'll be hanging on to!

Asphalt Cowboy
01-21-2013, 02:08 AM
nice piece .. make sure that you strip the paint and not sand it off ..

JustBen
01-21-2013, 08:20 AM
That is an amazing find! I wish I had something like that coming to me. All I've got is a 12.7 revolver...

3MTA3
01-21-2013, 04:15 PM
very cool - make sure to add more pictures as you go along.

Strewth
01-21-2013, 08:21 PM
very cool - make sure to add more pictures as you go along.

Most definitely...but right now I have a sick wife and kid; bloody flu season. I'm going to be lucky to have the wood off by the weekend. Having said that I would really like to take some nice pictures; this seems to involve a frame, a sheet and some worklights? And I need to know what you all would strip it with? Furniture stripper? Would this product be correct?

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/fc/fc32a508-48d9-47f9-965a-d297850b8cb3_300.jpg

Strewth
01-21-2013, 10:27 PM
Well, maybe everybody being sick is a good thing! Although I had to tear it apart in the laundry room to keep an ear out for requests from the sickys. I'm sure the cosmoline (which the barrel and action were still covered in) will clean up...

I dabbed some Liquid Wrench on the screws last night, quite impressed. Every single one spun right out, even the stock. Oh, and the pull-through was jammed in the hole...no oiler though. So now looking for an oiler, and a rear sling swivel assembly (I is learning!)

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/DSCF2122_zps3e41b5b8.jpg

My camera doesn't like dark things on white backgrounds inside. I could not get a sharp picture of the action for the life of me, and I had a question about the markings...I thought the American * was with the Mk4 on the side of the receiver, this one doesn't have it? I'll get a picture outside at some point, the camera is OK with that.

So, the wood! the buttstock is black with cosmo, and I think that the darker tint on the stock and front top hand guard (Is this right?) are cosmo as well, the light coloured piece is dry as a bone; thoughts?

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/DSCF2131_zpsc8c1b560.jpg

Rory McCanuck
01-22-2013, 01:41 AM
Couple things.
Pictures: Don't use a white background. Use a darker colour, with no distracting patterns. Light is good, glare is bad. Bounce the light off a wall if it is too bright. Something to hold the camera steady helps, too. Every time I hit the button, the camera jiggles, and I get wonderful blurs stretching across the frame. Sometimes I can tell what I was actually taking a pic of. I found an old tripod, much, much better.

Stripping: If Mrs. and the little ones are sick, she probably isn't all that interested. The Citristrip may smell like oranges, but probably doesn't contain much vitamin C. Stick to Minute Maid or Tropicana until she is healthy, then switch her to red wine. Remember, this is a two part process, rushing it and combining steps will not likely give satisfactory results.

Cosmoline: Heat will tend to make it "sweat" out. Black garbage bag in the sun comes spring. Don't use the oven. She may be sick and unable to smell it right away, but next time the oven gets fired up, you're up the creek. Some mineral spirits will help thin it out and make it easier to wipe up, but I'm not sure how much it will actually draw the cosmo out of the wood. It might also remove some of the paint.

Looking forward to more pics. Of the rifle.

Strewth
01-22-2013, 12:55 PM
Couple things.
Pictures: Don't use a white background. Use a darker colour, with no distracting patterns. Light is good, glare is bad. Bounce the light off a wall if it is too bright. Something to hold the camera steady helps, too. Every time I hit the button, the camera jiggles, and I get wonderful blurs stretching across the frame. Sometimes I can tell what I was actually taking a pic of. I found an old tripod, much, much better. I'm using a tripod, with a two second delay so the camera is very still for the pics... it's a poor workman that blames his tools, but I really don't like this Fuji point n shoot. It's billed as an underwater camera, and it does that very well...at the expense of normal pictures.

Stripping: If Mrs. and the little ones are sick, she probably isn't all that interested. The Citristrip may smell like oranges, but probably doesn't contain much vitamin C. Stick to Minute Maid or Tropicana until she is healthy, then switch her to red wine. Remember, this is a two part process, rushing it and combining steps will not likely give satisfactory results. LOL... will the "stripping gel" work on the rifle? I randomly chose that one because of the orange smell, I could possible do it indoors? Or that's pushing it? I love Tropicana. The little guy will only drink the "no hairs" kind.


Looking forward to more pics. Of the rifle.

Well the wife feels better, so she's off to work, and I'm home with the (hopefully) much better child. So since its a nice sunny day....

Barrelled action, covered in crud. With quite the wear at the front of the barrel. Time for a re-blue! I kid, I kid.

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/005_zps8512b2f2.jpg

Receiver stamps.. I assume that's the American * after the MK4No1?

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/001_zps4c77bdf8.jpg


Time for a G96 bath, methinks. Curious to see what comes out when I stick some Wipeout down the bore as well.

Rory McCanuck
01-22-2013, 02:01 PM
I haven't tried the Citrus one, but I have used Circa 1870.
http://www.rona.ca/en/stripper---paint-stripper-0776170--1
It works...but it isn't magic. some bits will bubble off immediately and some will take several attemps.
A scraper and patience help, but careful with the scraper.

Rory McCanuck
01-22-2013, 02:05 PM
Hmm interesting, a whole bunch of pictures appeared!

Strewth
02-05-2013, 09:23 PM
Sooooo, the wood is bubbling away in the garage, and I would now love some advice on refinishing? Assuming the wood matches (which I think it does) I'm leaning towards:
a scuff with 0000 wool
switch to flannel to apply:
a 50/50 coat of BLO and turpentine, (leave on for ten minutes, buff off) leave for 24 hours
a couple coats of BLO, (ten minutes, buff) 24 hours between coats
sanding lightly (...how lightly? I've got 0000 wool, and sandpaper from 36 to 2000...?)
and then a wax of some sort. Right now I'm favouring a 1:1:1 mix of bee's wax, turpentine and BLO...'cause it sounds cool, and I have all that stuff:)

Thoughts/advice/ridicule? I'd like it to look like good quality milsurp..am I way off?

Strewth
02-08-2013, 01:31 AM
Nothing? Okay, silence gives consent!


So, here are the bits all stripped of paint:
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/001-1_zpsf88dba4f.jpg


And here is a coat of Boiled Linseed Oil cut 50/50 with turpentine:
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/007_zpse1b9cbb2.jpg

Now to wait 24hrs...

3MTA3
02-08-2013, 04:34 AM
Very Nice, much nicer than what you started with- Watch the rags with Linseed oil on them -don't leave them lying crumpled together in the shop o r in the garbage!!-you probably know that already, but it is surprising how many people don't!

Strewth
02-08-2013, 09:53 AM
^Yep, but thanks anyway:). I would way rather be told something I might not have known, than to have some disaster because "I thought you knew!" Anytime anyone wants to tell me something that's "common knowledge" feel absolutely free!

OH FFS! Where did all the pictures go!...grumble photobucket...grumble...

Sadosubliminal
02-08-2013, 12:55 PM
Keeping my eyes on this.

Space Shuttle Door Gunner
02-08-2013, 04:04 PM
Very nice, what a lucky guy. I spent years tracking down my grandfathers enfield (he sold years ago) and I finally found it. Nowhere near as nice as yours Strewth, she'd been bubba'd pretty bad :(

Rory McCanuck
02-08-2013, 08:33 PM
That's looking good, Strewth.
Looks like all the cosmo came out, or enough, anyways.
Was it much of a mess?

Strewth
02-08-2013, 10:11 PM
That's looking good, Strewth.
Looks like all the cosmo came out, or enough, anyways.
Was it much of a mess?

Not on the wood, garbage bag, sunlight, bingo. (the blackness under the sling...band..grooves? isn't cosmo, just gunge that I've dabbed at with acetone, and decided to leave well enough alone.) On the metal however...Holy kadoodlehoppers. Still working at it:( Started with a G96 spritz to loosen up crud, and switched to Hoppes 9 when that didn't seem to be making much of a dent. The Hoppes soaked rags came away dark green, so I switched to Simple Green in the interests of not blowing $40 in gun cleaner...after getting the dirt encrusted cosmo out of the safety lever...hole? switched to boiling water for the barrelled action. Should've done that first, duh...much cleaner now, and is sprayed down with G96 with a barrel full of Wipeout, metal should be done this weekend.

The wood's got a coat of straight BLO on it now, looking...well, looking much like the last picture, but a little deeper, so I'll see how she glows tomorrow. I think I like it after one coat, maybe I'll stop and wax it? Is that enough oil, or is it kind of necessary to do at least two?

Strewth
02-08-2013, 10:28 PM
Very nice, what a lucky guy. I spent years tracking down my grandfathers enfield (he sold years ago) and I finally found it. Nowhere near as nice as yours Strewth, she'd been bubba'd pretty bad :(

Heh, yup, it's amazing how these rifles were treated, hey? I'll try and get a pic of grampa's hunting rifle: 1916 SMLE in a Monte Carlo stock:( with a little 4x32 scope on it.
That's pretty amazing you found your grandfather's Enfield! Start a thread, tell the story! With pics!

CanuckWR
02-08-2013, 10:48 PM
Dammit, you are lucky... All I got was an old Cooey 22... :mad1:

Rory McCanuck
02-09-2013, 02:45 PM
in the interests of not blowing $40 in gun cleaner...after getting the dirt encrusted cosmo out of the safety lever...hole? switched to boiling water for the barrelled action. Should've done that first, duh...much cleaner now, ...

I came to the same conclusion after about the same amount of work. I'm sure I went through most of a bed sheet's worth of patches before I clued in. Oh, well, lesson learned. Good ol' boiling water is a miracle solvent.



The wood's got a coat of straight BLO on it now, looking...well, looking much like the last picture, but a little deeper, so I'll see how she glows tomorrow. I think I like it after one coat, maybe I'll stop and wax it? Is that enough oil, or is it kind of necessary to do at least two?
It's easy to say from here, but several coats will be worth it. Hand rubbed BLO is about the nicest finish possible, might as well do it right. It'd be a shame in two years time to go, "Gee, when I had it all apart and was doing it, why didn't I do a little bit more?"

It's looking really good so far, a bit of patience will pay off.

Strewth
02-09-2013, 11:07 PM
I came to the same conclusion after about the same amount of work. I'm sure I went through most of a bed sheet's worth of patches before I clued in. Oh, well, lesson learned. Good ol' boiling water is a miracle solvent.

It's weird, 'cause te intrewebz told me to pour boiling water all over my SKS, which worked instantly, yet I immediately jumped on cleaners for this one...takes me a while to learn, I guess... :red:


It's easy to say from here, but several coats will be worth it. Hand rubbed BLO is about the nicest finish possible, might as well do it right. It'd be a shame in two years time to go, "Gee, when I had it all apart and was doing it, why didn't I do a little bit more?"

It's looking really good so far, a bit of patience will pay off.

OK, it's only taking me about half hour-hour a night, I'll do a couple more. Thanks for the advice:)

Rory McCanuck
02-09-2013, 11:17 PM
It's weird, 'cause te intrewebz told me to pour boiling water all over my SKS, which worked instantly, yet I immediately jumped on cleaners for this one...takes me a while to learn, I guess...

Silly, just a quick cycle through the dishwasher would have been easier. :smash:
Or is that just for M305s? :p

Rory McCanuck
02-09-2013, 11:19 PM
Seriously though, I remember Dad spending about 20 minutes every night after work, giving the stock a quick buffing, then applying another layer.
I tell ya, best looking Cooey 22 you ever saw!

Strewth
02-16-2013, 06:54 PM
Done for now! Pics make the butt look dark for some reason, but she is about this colour...

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/LE2_zps909b847a.jpg

Here's one where I am fumbling towards a decent photograph, but I couldn't get the depth of field...

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Enfield/LE3_zpsb0d00953.jpg

Next is to see how she shoots...and pick up some bits at the gunshow in March...and buy a decent camera...

BuckingFastard
02-16-2013, 07:46 PM
She gorgeous! You did a fine job, something to be proud of. Now post pics where she belongs in the milsurp thread :p

Canuck
02-16-2013, 07:54 PM
She gorgeous! You did a fine job, something to be proud of. Now post pics where she belongs in the milsurp thread :p

X's 2. Great job. Something to be proud of.

BuckingFastard
02-16-2013, 08:45 PM
I really like the patina left on the metal, really accents the wood

Strewth
02-16-2013, 08:51 PM
She gorgeous! You did a fine job, something to be proud of. Now post pics where she belongs in the milsurp thread :p

Thanks! And yes, I wonder about this "Battle Rifle, stuff your grampa shot" Sub-forum? I get confused between this and the milsurp Sub-forum....




X's 2. Great job. Something to be proud of.


Thank you for the kind words:) I hope to use her for the Postal Shoot...

BuckingFastard
02-16-2013, 09:23 PM
Battle rifle/milsurp technically their both right, in fact battle is a little more fitting for the old warhorse's :)

Strewth
02-16-2013, 11:44 PM
^This was my thinking, but I'll still post a pic in yer milsurp thread:)...and I've got to blow the dust off my M1 at some point, pictures is a good reason...

Rory McCanuck
02-17-2013, 11:33 AM
Wow, looking really good, Strewth.
Well worth all the work you put into it, and the colour is quite nice.
The dings in the handguard give it just the right amount of character, too.

Strewth
02-23-2013, 11:16 PM
One more for prosterity...and because I'm going to post this in the Postal Shoot, and don't need to clutter that thread up with saying: Had her out for the first time today, go/no-go said go, so I went...at hip level, with my eyes squeezed to slits,...lol,sort of............Yay! I'm still in one unperforated piece!



http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t424/smellype/GOC%20album%201/Postal%20Match/PostalMatch1008_zps71be9872.jpg