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awndray
06-10-2020, 07:38 PM
Last week a letter from the RCMP landed in the mailboxes of licensed firearm owners across the country.

Titled “Announcement of a Firearms Prohibition”, the letter is puzzling because it provides so little actual information about which firearms were banned on May 1, 2020.

For example, the letter says, “Nine (9) types of firearms by make and model, and their variants;” but never tells the reader which nine firearms were actually banned.

The letter further confuses the issue of guns banned by 20 mm bore diameter or muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules.

“Firearms with a bore of 20 mm or greater, and those capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 Joules.”

These are two separate methods to ban firearms, yet the RCMP’s letter implies a firearm must meet both criteria in order to meet the new Prohibited classification threshold.

So why did the RCMP really send this letter?

We’re not sure. The letter is so light on information it’s hard to understand the rationale.

The Trudeau government used Criminal Code Section 117.15(2) to ban these nine firearms and their variants which are, in the opinion of the Minister, not suitable for hunting or sporting use in Canada.[i]

The RCMP’s problem is upwards of 175,000 now-Prohibited firearms were classified as Non-Restricted on April 30, 2020, the day before their virtue-signalling press conference announcing the ban.

The RCMP has no idea who owns any of these guns and the only way to trigger individual notifications is by revoking a Registration Certificate.

Since registration is not required for Non-Restricted firearms, neither the Trudeau government nor the RCMP know who owns these guns.


Notification Required

The notification process for owners of firearms classified as Restricted on May 1, 2020, is triggered by revoking the Registration Certificate for those firearms.

The process for revoking registrations for Restricted class firearms (the AR-15, etc.) is spelled out in the Firearms Act, beginning in Section 72(1).[ii]

72 (1) Subject to subsection (1.1), if a chief firearms officer decides to refuse to issue or to revoke a licence or authorization to transport or the Registrar decides to refuse to issue or to revoke a registration certificate, authorization to export or authorization to import, the chief firearms officer or Registrar shall give notice of the decision in the prescribed form to the applicant for or holder of the licence, registration certificate or authorization.

Section 72(2) details how an individual must be notified when a Registration Certificate is revoked.[iii]

72 (2) A notice given under subsection (1) must include reasons for the decision disclosing the nature of the information relied on for the decision and must be accompanied by a copy of sections 74 to 81.

Therein lies the RCMP’s problem and a possible rationale for the letter sent to all licensed firearm owners in Canada last week.

The RCMP could be on a fishing expedition, attempting to scare a law-abiding gun owner (LAGO) into contacting them to find out if any of their firearms were reclassified as Prohibited by the Liberal government’s gun ban by Order in Council.

The conversation would go something like this:

LAGO: “Can you tell me if any of my guns are banned by Minister Blair’s May 1st Order in Council?”

RCMP: “Absolutely. I’ll just need a little information first. What’s your Possession and Acquisition Licence number?”

LAGO: “1234567.”

RCMP: “Thank you. Are you John Doe?”

LAGO: “Sure am.”

RCMP: “And your current address is 123 Somewhere Street, Toronto, Ontario?”

LAGO: “Yes, it is.”

RCMP: “Thank you for verifying your personal information. Please tell me the makes and models of the firearms you own, and I’ll tell you if any of them are on the Prohibited list.”


CSSA Advice

If you own any firearms the government reclassified from Non-Restricted to Prohibited on May 1st, you are covered by the blanket amnesty they imposed under SOR/2020-97.[iv]

Do NOT call the RCMP to ask if your guns are now Prohibited. The only way the RCMP will know you own any newly-Prohibited firearms is if you tell them.

Do NOT surrender your firearms to the RCMP or any other police force until the Liberal government passes legislation to fund their compensation scheme.

Examine the list of firearms banned by Order in Council and see if any of your firearms are on the list:

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2020/2020-05-01-x3/html/sor-dors96-eng.html

Even if your firearm is not on the list, it’s still possible the RCMP has reclassified your firearm as Prohibited.

In our CSSA Commentary titled “Bill Blair Lied” we explained how, despite the Minister’s protests to the contrary, many shotguns are now reclassified as Prohibited by the RCMP under the bizarre premise they are “variants” of the AR-15.

So far, the RCMP has reclassified many different makes and models of firearms as Prohibited. This includes 12-gauge shotguns, .22 rifles, and a variety of single-shot, bolt-action, break-action and semi-automatic rifles in a variety of calibres.


Only a Judge can Decide

The sad reality is we will not know which makes and models of firearms are banned under the Minister’s Order in Council until a judge in a court of law rules on what each individual aspect of SOR/2020-96 means.[v]

Until then, we’re left with the opinions of the Minister of Public Safety and RCMP – neither of which are worth the web pages they’re printed on.


SOURCES:

[i] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/FullText.html#h-117741
[ii] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-8.html#h-223680
[iii] https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-8.html#h-223680
[iv] http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2020/2020-05-01-x3/html/sor-dors97-eng.html
[v] http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2020/2020-05-01-x3/html/sor-dors96-eng.html

FALover
06-10-2020, 07:56 PM
Massive non-compliance is the only answer.

LB303
06-10-2020, 10:00 PM
What is this letter you speak of ;-)
Oh wait was it on glossy paper? Probably got thrown out with the pizza flyers
Exercise option 1. WAIT. For the court challenges, for a change in government, for a natural disaster?

GTW
06-10-2020, 10:05 PM
Sent back labelled “Junk Mail Return to Sender”.

Big-Boss-Man
06-10-2020, 10:13 PM
another thing to add. If they wanted that letter to be notification to NR owners, it should've been a registered letter to confirm receipt, for all they know my letter is lost in the mail somewhere.

Swingerguy
06-10-2020, 10:17 PM
My wife asked me what I got from the RCMP in the mail, I said a fishing expedition.

blacksmithden
06-11-2020, 03:19 AM
another thing to add. If they wanted that letter to be notification to NR owners, it should've been a registered letter to confirm receipt, for all they know my letter is lost in the mail somewhere.

What letter ? Got a signature ?

Waterloomike
06-11-2020, 03:48 AM
They haven't had training for that level of communication.

Doug_M
06-11-2020, 05:07 AM
I haven’t received one yet. Mail here is usually a week behind. For example people start talking about the new Calibre magazine issue and a week to a week and a half later mine comes. So I should have received my fishing letter by now. Hasn’t come. Makes me feel neglected :(

Gaidheal
06-11-2020, 05:07 AM
I'm surprised they didn't send their alert out via Twitter

Waterloomike
06-11-2020, 05:24 AM
That letter is the unwilling, doing the unwanted for the unknowing.

It's nothing but a circle jerk of twits with us in the middle.

I'm really sick and tired of being a political football and being used to fudge crime statistics, all while having engaged in zero illegal activity, verified by Big Brother's computers.

The letter has very little purpose.

Big-Boss-Man
06-11-2020, 05:30 AM
I'm surprised they didn't send their alert out via Twitter

you win the internet

Billythreefeathers
06-11-2020, 06:27 AM
That letter is the unwilling, doing the unwanted for the unknowing.

It's nothing but a circle jerk of twits with us in the middle.

I'm really sick and tired of being a political football and being used to fudge crime statistics, all while having engaged in zero illegal activity, verified by Big Brother's computers.

The letter has very little purpose.

Im thinking it's time to open the cheque book and lawyer up ,,, sue some of these morons,,

Waterloomike
06-11-2020, 06:41 AM
Im thinking it's time to open the cheque book and lawyer up ,,, sue some of these morons,,

Well, I'm for that. I'll kick in what I can.

Their remarks and actions are hurtful, plus they make me feel very unsafe.

They should all be fired, unceremoniously, but with profuse apologies and much kneeling.

Arseholes.

Greglc
06-11-2020, 07:39 AM
Got my letter last Thursday, wife's came yesterday, 6 days between, guess it's not alphabetical, both liscence restricted.

stevebc
06-11-2020, 02:51 PM
That letter is the unwilling, doing the unwanted for the unknowing.

It's nothing but a circle jerk of twits with us in the middle.

I'm really sick and tired of being a political football and being used to fudge crime statistics, all while having engaged in zero illegal activity, verified by Big Brother's computers.

The letter has very little purpose.

So am I.

And that's another reason why I left the useless CPC. They could have dealt with this when we gave them their majority, but they chose not to.

Instead, they did the minimum they could and still claim to be "standing up for farmers and hunters".

They continue that garbage to this day.

NOT worth my support.

Two For Sure
06-11-2020, 05:36 PM
Fishing expedition by the RCMP? What are these guys at CSSA smoking? It's definitely better than you can get over the counter.

Billythreefeathers
06-11-2020, 06:07 PM
I didn't even open mind,,, 'return to sender,,, DECEASED'

Stephen
06-12-2020, 11:02 AM
Sent back labelled “Junk Mail Return to Sender”.

Based. That's what I did.

As for the thread it is a fishing attempt. My friend that only owns an sks was scared and thought he had to turn it in. My mom was worried the rcmp thought she had illegal guns. She has a 410 that's it. Lol.

spider69
06-12-2020, 04:57 PM
I did my bit for the environment and sent it straight into the blue bin.:horse:

GTW
06-12-2020, 05:47 PM
My sons and spouse received theirs. All have been marked: Go pound sand - I will not comply” and sent to Blair’s Ottawa office.