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Zahal.org
02-15-2013, 07:22 AM
One of our guys is on a flight to the Czech Republic right now to meet up with manufacturers there and talk about some new products.

My question to you is:

What kind of magazines would you like to see appearing in Canada?

We have a few ideas of our own:



7.62x39 40 round extended mags pinned to 5
midsized 15 and 10 round .223 polymer magazines
10 round 7.62x39 magazines stamped as "Vz58 Pistol"



I understand that last one is much sought after in Canada, but that there's a requirement that the pistol be "readily available." Unfortunately Zahal does not deal or sell firearms, but are there any Vz58 pistols currently in the country?

What other magazine options haven't we thought of?

jwirecom109
02-15-2013, 07:24 AM
10 round 7.62x39 magazines stamped as "Vz58 Pistol"

That one right there might be the single best seller of the 3 (i know i would have loved to have those)

Strewth
02-15-2013, 11:14 AM
10 round 7.62x39 magazines stamped as "Vz58 Pistol"

That one right there might be the single best seller of the 3 (i know i would have loved to have those)

THIS!!!!! I don't know if we have pistols in country though:( I believe we would need to see 7.5" bbl VZ with no stock, do we have these?

TV-PressPass
02-15-2013, 11:41 AM
I've seen them in the states, but I've never seen them here. Not sure if anyone has imported them in the past.

Still, the estimate is that there's only ~70 Rock River Arms LAR pistols in Canada.

Strewth
02-15-2013, 11:46 AM
I've seen them in the states, but I've never seen them here. Not sure if anyone has imported them in the past.

Still, the estimate is that there's only ~70 Rock River Arms LAR pistols in Canada.

Is there a magic number for being in common use? I'll buy one if it gets me one the list for 10 round mags...wouldn't be a heck of a lot more than a conversion kit and XCR mags...

Satain
02-15-2013, 12:18 PM
Sheer Awesomeness on all these ideas!
Plus a few more ideas...
Tritium/fiberoptic front post sight like the TFO's offered by TruGlo systems.
A rear peep sight instead of the current buckhorn one on the rifle.
A AR15 pistol Grip adaptor.
Contact me if you would like more infromation about these as I may be able to send you samples, pictures or drawings on these idea's.

lone-wolf
02-15-2013, 12:44 PM
Aside from the standard 5/30 magazines, only a 10rd pistol magazine would interest me.

TV-PressPass
02-15-2013, 02:34 PM
Is there a magic number for being in common use? I'll buy one if it gets me one the list for 10 round mags...wouldn't be a heck of a lot more than a conversion kit and XCR mags...

Not as far as I know. Its intentionally vague I think.

I wonder if not having a warehouse or retail store in Canada would have some effect, as buyers would have them individually shipped . . . hmmm . . .

rhyno857
02-15-2013, 03:32 PM
10rd pistol mags for sure! I would like to see some pmag style mags for the vz58.

Woundlicker
02-15-2013, 03:45 PM
7.62 Pistol Mags for sure.

The rest is just for looks the 10 rounder actually has functionality.

JustBen
02-15-2013, 03:47 PM
I'd be tempted to give up one of my M14s and buy a Vz58 if legal 10 rounders were available...

Canuck
02-15-2013, 04:07 PM
Aside from the standard 5/30 magazines, only a 10rd pistol magazine would interest me.

This.

Zahal.org
02-16-2013, 10:45 AM
Pistol mags have pretty resounding support! Big surprise :p

We'll look into it and see what we can get made. But keep in mind it could be a few months to come from Czech Republic to Israel to you! We may look at drop-shipping them straight from Cz like we do with our 75 round drums.

Grip adapters is a great idea too! We'd been talking about an AK one, but the AR does have more grip options in North America especially.

Satain
02-16-2013, 05:28 PM
Caugh...
Caugh...
How about one that does it all?
Would you like pic's :p

Strewth
02-16-2013, 07:17 PM
Pistol mags have pretty resounding support! Big surprise :p

We'll look into it and see what we can get made.

They'll sell no matter how long they take to get here, (cough, GOC preorder first? cough) The question would be if they are allowed in with no VZ58 pistols in the country?

I'd like to see your pics Satain...you always have good ideas kicking around that noodle of yours...

jbrow397
02-16-2013, 07:56 PM
10 round 7.62x39 magazines stamped as "Vz58 Pistol"

That one right there might be the single best seller of the 3 (i know i would have loved to have those)

What he said!

ReignCzech
03-11-2013, 01:20 AM
Excellent! I would be in for purchases of all these

•7.62x39 40 round extended mags pinned to 5
•midsized 15 and 10 round .223 polymer magazines
•10 round 7.62x39 magazines stamped as "csa/vz/cz pistol"

10 round metal .223 mags, stamped "csa/vz/cz 58 pistol"
40 round extended metal .223 pinned to 5
more 5/75 round drums. in both 7.62x39 and .223

boomboy
03-11-2013, 01:21 PM
if you can get 10 round pistol mags in for the vz you'll be making a mint off of them

oh and like satain mentioned, tritium front posts would be desirable as well

Kromm
03-11-2013, 10:41 PM
Count me in for a 'bunch' of 10 round 7.62x39 pistol mags!
:agree:

Satain
03-13-2013, 10:11 PM
Pistol mags have pretty resounding support! Big surprise :p

We'll look into it and see what we can get made. But keep in mind it could be a few months to come from Czech Republic to Israel to you! We may look at drop-shipping them straight from Cz like we do with our 75 round drums.

Grip adapters is a great idea too! We'd been talking about an AK one, but the AR does have more grip options in North America especially.
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Canada_Phil
05-08-2015, 11:10 AM
Reading this old topic made me sad.
:(

Had someone imported something which would have actually passed for a "pistol", it may have gone the other way with the RCMP.

ie: the CSA VZ58 "Compact" (as in Czech Small Arms....NOT CZ!), instead of what was obviously nothing more than a CZ rifle! which simply had its full size hand guards removed.

lone-wolf
05-08-2015, 01:35 PM
right...

Strewth
05-08-2015, 01:46 PM
Reading this old topic made me sad.
:(

Had someone imported something which would have actually passed for a "pistol", it may have gone the other way with the RCMP.

ie: the CSA VZ58 "Compact" (as in Czech Small Arms....NOT CZ!), instead of what was obviously nothing more than a CZ rifle! which simply had its full size hand guards removed.

Well yes, it's just a cut down rifle, but what's an AR pistol? Or really any pistol, if you want to get technical. Add stock=rifle?

Canada_Phil
05-08-2015, 01:54 PM
Well yes, it's just a cut down rifle, but what's an AR pistol? Or really any pistol, if you want to get technical. Add stock=rifle?

Oh yeah...

This contraption just ooooozes "pistol".

Those inevitable 2nd and 3rd degree hand burns must be fun!... Cuz yer natural tendency with that thing would be to put yer hand rigft on the barrel!

http://tv-presspass.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2014-09-03-at-9.27.24-AM-1038x362.png

lone-wolf
05-08-2015, 01:58 PM
btw, from TVPP's website
In October 2013, with the help of Zahal.org, I imported a CSA Vz58 pistol and sought to register it with the RCMP.

I also hope you realize there's a upper handguard for the pistol.

http://tv-presspass.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/14934719370_824fb73c02_k.jpg

Canada_Phil
05-08-2015, 02:06 PM
Too bad the 1st photo is what the RCMP actually uses in their published report! Did you read THAT?
Cuz it sounds like TVPP actually submitted it with the Hand guards removed! At least thats how it reads!
Maybe he should confirm??

And look at this... Does this one actually come off more like a pistol?... Maybe a Scorpion on steroids?... THIS should have been known as the 58 pistol in Canada. The "Compact" has the 7-odd inch barrel, TINY gas piston, and practically non-existent hand-guard.

https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/files/files/produkty/1422407724_vz.58_compact_rs_rear.jpg

Strewth
05-08-2015, 04:18 PM
^Huh, didn't really notice the difference before; maybe TVPP had to do it that way because that one's already in Canada as a "rifle" though? Maybe he took the handguards off because you don't need or want handguards on a firearm that is to be used with one hand? Need it from the horse's mouth.

lone-wolf
05-08-2015, 04:26 PM
TINY gas piston
Holy hell, I'd bet it is!

Canada_Phil
05-09-2015, 09:47 AM
I know right!

I think its barely 1"! ... From what I understand about the "Compact" its finicky with ammo, as some is not able to stroke the bolt with enough force to push the bolt all the way back. Also ejects spent rounds only about half the distance of VZ's with the "normal" length piston. (But those are not issues imo.. Seems that this would be the case with such a small piston)

As far as I know, Americans already buy the "Compact" with only a lanyard loop in place of the the stock and register them as pistols. Not sure why this was not what was attempted here???

Maybe someone could have another kick at the can?