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chevy
03-17-2013, 06:33 PM
Hello group this is my first post great forum and great format gonna take some time to dig sround in the archives when I get a little spare time. I have been resisting the urge to buy my first surplus rifle however I decided to give it a go. And damned if I don't want an svt and a few others to go with my new SKS.

Sometime back I could swear I saw some pinned banana mags online somewhere that were for the standard SKS not the -D model. Are they out there? Or am I just dreaming? Thanks

lone-wolf
03-18-2013, 06:29 AM
Yea, they're out there. Mostly tapco brands which are 20rounders pinned to 5. I haven't seen any lately though.

chevy
03-18-2013, 07:10 AM
Yea, they're out there. Mostly tapco brands which are 20rounders pinned to 5. I haven't seen any lately though.

Thanks I have seen those as well, and also not in some time. I was hoping to find a metal version to chrome as I am putting together an all chromed wall hanger and wanted to do up a long mag. Rest of the gun is done except for the internals which have been polished and buffed. I obviously have nothing better to spend my money on.... :) I will have to chrome a pinned drum instead. A few more bucks, but what the hell!

lone-wolf
03-18-2013, 07:17 AM
You need to post some pictures.

mlehto
03-18-2013, 07:17 AM
Both Wolverine and Hical sell the steel sks banana mags.

They are privey though, and the tapcos work just as well for half the price, without being too long for bench shooting.

Obviously your reasons for the metal mag are different.

jwirecom109
03-18-2013, 07:24 AM
Lever arms has 2 5 round steel mags for $35.00

http://www.leverarms.com/accessories/magazines/norinco-sks-d-ak-5-rd-magazine-1120.html

Satain
03-18-2013, 09:41 AM
Lever arms has 2 5 round steel mags for $35.00

http://www.leverarms.com/accessories/magazines/norinco-sks-d-ak-5-rd-magazine-1120.html
:agree:
And Lever Arms also sell corrosive ammo but label it none corrosive too.
There are some failings to the Model D design that one should be extremly careful when looking to purchase this rifle platform. Although if you are looking to make an SKS with detachable magazines you should really look at another milsurp platform that was designed with that in mind.
In all honesty I prefer the stripper clip meathod for reloading for this rifle platform. As the stripper clips take up less room then mags just as easy to load and when you do have a magazine in this rifle the only time that you can remove it is when the bolt is locked back to the rear. Although on the Model D this feature is not availible because it has been dis abled to accept AK magazines.

chevy
03-18-2013, 09:44 AM
Hmm.... Thanks for the helps guys, this may be a little harder to find than I anticipated. As mentioned, I'm looking for steel mags, 25+ rounds pinned, for non-D SKS. Checked the site of Wolverine, Hical, as well as Lever and they don't have them listed. So I sent a note to all three and will report back if anyone has them just in case anyone else is interested.

I will take some photos and post them when it is completely done, I will still have to wait for mags and a drum and send them out for chrome so that will take a bit of time. It's my first SKS and I still have yet to figure out the best scope mount there seem to be many styles to choose from, them that will have to get plated as well. I look forward to getting it all done and getting some pics up.

Strewth
03-18-2013, 09:53 AM
^Best scope mount check out member mladin's SKS pics in the SKS pictue thread...requires drilling and tapping, but whatayado.

chevy
03-18-2013, 10:17 AM
:agree:
And Lever Arms also sell corrosive ammo but label it none corrosive too.
There are some failings to the Model D design that one should be extremly careful when looking to purchase this rifle platform. Although if you are looking to make an SKS with detachable magazines you should really look at another milsurp platform that was designed with that in mind.
In all honesty I prefer the stripper clip meathod for reloading for this rifle platform. As the stripper clips take up less room then mags just as easy to load and when you do have a magazine in this rifle the only time that you can remove it is when the bolt is locked back to the rear. Although on the Model D this feature is not availible because it has been dis abled to accept AK magazines.

Thanks Satain, that is great info that I needed. If i have this right, your saying they never made a long fixed mag for the standard SKS non-D. Boy I have much to learn about these. I think I will just chrome the drum then and a few other parts and that will be more than fine. What I don't understand is why there is a dealer selling SKS drums that they claim is for all models of SKS except the D, yet there are no steel long mags for them. How do the drums mate up to the receiver? I just bought this chromed out SKS the previous owner did all the work to this point, and being my first SKS I am still a bit confused about the mag set up.

Grain
03-18-2013, 10:19 AM
And Lever Arms also sell corrosive ammo but label it none corrosive too.

I was suspicious of that, thanks for confirming.


There are some failings to the Model D design that one should be extremly careful when looking to purchase this rifle platform.

What failing are you referring too? The lack of the stripper clip slot?

chevy
03-18-2013, 10:31 AM
^Best scope mount check out member mladin's SKS pics in the SKS pictue thread...requires drilling and tapping, but whatayado.

That's a great looking set up. Where would a guy find that mount? I read the threads, does anyone know in the end if they casing is clearing the scope or is a deflector required? Have to know cause that will have to get sent out for chrome too! lol. BLING!!

Strewth
03-18-2013, 11:02 AM
I keep forgetting this is for a showpiece...it is not display only? You're going to shoot it? There's a Satain SKS Sticky on here in Red Rifles about dremeling out the radius of the ejection port so no deflector is required..."Changing the angle of the spent casings" I think?
If it's for display mainly there's a whole bunch of scope mounts that replace the rear sight or the reciever cover...they just don't hold zero:)

Curious now: Chrome scope, or ?

chevy
03-18-2013, 11:20 AM
I keep forgetting this is for a showpiece...it is not display only? You're going to shoot it? There's a Satain SKS Sticky on here in Red Rifles about dremeling out the radius of the ejection port so no deflector is required..."Changing the angle of the spent casings" I think?
If it's for display mainly there's a whole bunch of scope mounts that replace the rear sight or the reciever cover...they just don't hold zero:)

Curious now: Chrome scope, or ?

Yeah I know..... A show piece not a shooter what a waste of money! HOWEVER, we can't have it all show and no go. I want to complete it as a functional rifle with quality parts that is more to display the beauty in a sort of artsy fartsy sort of way. I will rarely shoot it, but would like to know it will function properly when I do. I will buy a Chinese military SKS to burn through the surplus ammo.

Regarding optic and mount..... Any ideas? I would prefer a scope for longer range sighting and soft point factory rounds should I ever get the dumb idea to take it hunting and risk scratching it up. But I've done much dummer things, so quite possibly I will at some point.

I don't know if I can get a scope plated I haven't quite made it that far yet. Cobra Imaging may be able to get something closer to chrome done, however it will likely not look right. So my first idea was to strip the opic to bare metal, primer it, then apply this new chrome match paint that seems to look pretty darn close from what I have seen. Then a few coats of Arma Coat clear and presto.... A chrome optic and mount! But if anyone else has an idea that can assist in this whacky project, I'm all ears......

Strewth
03-18-2013, 12:08 PM
...I don't think spending money to have a display rifle is a terrible idea at all...:)I've recently been sucked into dumping money into some Russian milsurp by a board member...:p no names but his initials are Satain....to get down to brass(or chrome) tacks, you'll be under a grand to have a beautiful conversation piece...far less than other spend on art that has zero appeal to me:)

Ideas for a scope?;) Since you asked:p I'd go for the previously mentioned mount (from....?), do the ejection port radius mod so you don't ding your scope (testing this before chroming), and then something classic? Chrome a replica POSP, a Mosin PU or an old Weaver tube, or something?
Now...I should say, if this is your first SKS....not to rain on your scope parade..... but long distance with an SKS is....optimistic:)

chevy
03-18-2013, 12:49 PM
...I don't think spending money to have a display rifle is a terrible idea at all...:)I've recently been sucked into dumping money into some Russian milsurp by a board member...:p no names but his initials are Satain....to get down to brass(or chrome) tacks, you'll be under a grand to have a beautiful conversation piece...far less than other spend on art that has zero appeal to me:)

Ideas for a scope?;) Since you asked:p I'd go for the previously mentioned mount (from....?), do the ejection port radius mod so you don't ding your scope (testing this before chroming), and then something classic? Chrome a replica POSP, a Mosin PU or an old Weaver tube, or something?
Now...I should say, if this is your first SKS....not to rain on your scope parade..... but long distance with an SKS is....optimistic:)

Thanks for the comments..... I can see there are much more open minded and I may and friendlier people on this forum than some others. I think that ejection port idea is a must... fantastic idea. I remember the initials Satain from another gun universe nice to see his helpful postings again.

You have some great ideas for optics. My top choice would be a POSP chrome ( yummm ). In my opinion nothing beats it for that old school com block look. Although the old Mosin tapered tube scopes sure have their fair share of appeal. I had a POSP on an 858 that never held zero. I tried two different types of side receiver mounts and they would both come loose no matter how I messed with them. I see POSP also makes a weaver version. Eastwave only has one weaver POSP version in 8 X 42 which is way more power than I need. Can I zero a 100 yard rifle to such a scope? I figure if the bow hunters can get within 50 yards or better, I should be able to take a reasonable shot at 100 or find another sport like horseshoes. I can shoot with something else for longer distances when I feel a little lazier, which is most of the time so the SKS surely won't see much action.

Satain
03-18-2013, 05:29 PM
I was suspicious of that, thanks for confirming.



What failing are you referring too? The lack of the stripper clip slot?
Failure to keep bolt open on last round.
Increased risk of slame fire due to negitive sear engaugment due to lack of Q.C. at uncle mao's production shop.
Plus the fact instead of making a brand new rifle they to already availble rifles and moded them to work like this.
But that is mostly my personal failings of this this model. This is straight from the suppliers mouth from just after they were produced:

Below is the excert from the FAQ at the top of the page about the recall:

CHINESE, IMPORTED BY NAVY ARMS
MODEL SKS, SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES,

WARNING: We hereby provide written notice to you that some Chinese SKS semiautomatic rifles may pose a serious risk of bodily injury or death.

Some of these rifles may have a manufacturing defect of the engaging surfaces in the trigger-hammer-sear assembly, which can cause intermittent failure of the sear to hold the hammer in a cocked position. This condition can result in the unexpected firing as a round is chambered, without pulling the trigger, or if the weapon is jarred or dropped. This condition may also result in sudden and unexpected automatic fire and loss of control of the firing weapon.

Navy Arms Company strongly recommends that owners of Chinese SKS rifles have their weapons inspected for this defect by a competent and qualified gunsmith before using the weapon.

If you own a Chinese SKS semiautomatic rifle from Navy Arms Company and believe your weapon needs a new sear, mail your sear with the serial number of your SKS to us at the address below, and include a self-addressed envelope. We will send you a free replacement sear.

When firing any semiautomatic weapon for the first time, always follow these safety procedures:

Load two rounds into the magazine, and in a stable shooting position, with the muzzle pointed down range, pull the charging handle (or slide) back and let it fly forward to chamber the first round. Do not ease the carrier or the slide into battery. If the weapon fires, cease firing immediately. If no firing occurs, aim the weapon down range and pull the trigger. If both rounds fire with one pull of the trigger, cease firing immediately. Take your weapon to the gunsmith or the place of purchase for repair.

The safety procedures identified above are from the Navy Arms Company Shooting Maintenance Manual distributed to its SKS purchasers. For a free copy of the manual, please send a self-addressed, stamped business-size envelope with the serial number of your SKS.

Remember, always follow all firearms safety practices.

Navy Arms Company, Inc.
689 Bergen Boulevard
Ridgefield, NJ 07657

Source:

American Rifleman, March 1993; page 14
Hence why anyone going down this road I recomend to get a rifle designed from the ground up like say this guy...
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff84/RevengeSeeker01/Chinese.jpg
http://www.redstararms.com/chinesetype81.jpg

lone-wolf
03-18-2013, 06:33 PM
^- Too bad it uses a proprietary(iirc) magazine.

Hey, maybe SKSman can help. He's in the states but from what I heard has been pretty helpful to canucks in the past, maybe he'll pin a magazine for you and send er up?

Strewth
03-18-2013, 09:20 PM
Thanks for the comments..... I can see there are much more open minded and I may and friendlier people on this forum than some others.

It's a lot funner that way :)

... Can I zero a 100 yard rifle to such a scope?

Higher scope mount a la Mosin? Shoot irons under it?

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/720/p4170264pv8.jpg

chevy
03-19-2013, 06:40 AM
^- Too bad it uses a proprietary(iirc) magazine.

Hey, maybe SKSman can help. He's in the states but from what I heard has been pretty helpful to canucks in the past, maybe he'll pin a magazine for you and send er up?

Good morning, forgot all about his site. I sent him an email about pinning a few 5/40's so I'll see what he says if/when he emails back. What confused me some was that the stock SKS comes with a fixed mag, yet you can buy detachable mags and I wasn't sure ( still not ) how the conversion works. THANKS!

chevy
03-19-2013, 06:49 AM
Higher scope mount a la Mosin? Shoot irons under it?

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/720/p4170264pv8.jpg

Finally..... A place where guys aren't so serious all the time. Funny is good! I hadn't even thought of a mount that also allows irons. Also a great idea. If I can find a suitable high rise mount that will allow sites as well, then quick release is no longer an issue in which case I'll try and find a POSP with long rubber eye relief that I think will give it an almost period look and a pretty slick look at that. I'm getting there!

Satain
03-19-2013, 11:35 PM
Finally..... A place where guys aren't so serious all the time. Funny is good! I hadn't even thought of a mount that also allows irons. Also a great idea. If I can find a suitable high rise mount that will allow sites as well, then quick release is no longer an issue in which case I'll try and find a POSP with long rubber eye relief that I think will give it an almost period look and a pretty slick look at that. I'm getting there!
Look for this mount.
http://www.victorinc.com/Pictures/YugoSniper.jpg
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee148/beachbum762/1-3.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z137/RugerDuger/100_1173.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z137/RugerDuger/100_1170.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z137/RugerDuger/100_1176.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z137/RugerDuger/100_1169.jpg
http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/600/medium/Yugoslavian5966rail_LR.jpg
http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/600/Front_Left_LR.jpg
Just make sure that it low enough so that you have a proper cheek weld that when you switch from optic to irons that you won't have to worry about dealing with your cheek riser getting in the way of using the irons.
Actually it allows the lowest optical mount set-up plus it is rock solid and further more if the optic takes a dump just release the tab and go back to your irons.

YukonLeftie
03-20-2013, 12:02 AM
Having just gotten my first SKS, Im thinking Im not going to scope mine (I was provided with a scope mount but the rifle is unaltered) as for me, Ive already several scoped rifles as is. I could conceivably see myself getting a second SKS just to scope for fun; but there's plenty on my list before that happens.

As far as mags... seems kinda pointless to me, save one reason -- having one handy should SHTF.

lone-wolf
03-20-2013, 12:14 AM
Yea, personally I prefer an sks unaltered, but if I was going by what I prefer to use, the vz58 would get the nod over any sks.

chevy
03-20-2013, 03:21 AM
Having just gotten my first SKS, Im thinking Im not going to scope mine (I was provided with a scope mount but the rifle is unaltered) as for me, Ive already several scoped rifles as is. I could conceivably see myself getting a second SKS just to scope for fun; but there's plenty on my list before that happens.

As far as mags... seems kinda pointless to me, save one reason -- having one handy should SHTF.

Yes for sure the long mags serve no other real purpose other than for show, which is what I am after putting together a conversation piece.

Edit: I think I may have a mag source so I'll pick one up and send it out for chrome.

Grain
03-20-2013, 07:24 AM
Failure to keep bolt open on last round.
Increased risk of slame fire due to negitive sear engaugment due to lack of Q.C. at uncle mao's production shop.
Plus the fact instead of making a brand new rifle they to already availble rifles and moded them to work like this.
But that is mostly my personal failings of this this model.

I agree the bolt not holding open is a negative, although as that's "intentional" ie the same as AK's, it could be argued that it's not a failure (semantics, lol). That's the first I heard of the slame fire issue. I wonder if that was the first batch? I bought a wooden case (5) of D models in about '95. Unfortunately still only have 1 left, friends have the others. We've had nothing but shats n giggles from them, but maybe we are lucky. My personal grip with the D model is the mag well can't be moved into an aftermarket stock, easily.

chevy
03-20-2013, 08:05 AM
Look for this mount.
http://www.victorinc.com/Pictures/YugoSniper.jpg
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee148/beachbum762/1-3.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z137/RugerDuger/100_1173.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z137/RugerDuger/100_1170.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z137/RugerDuger/100_1176.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z137/RugerDuger/100_1169.jpg
http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/600/medium/Yugoslavian5966rail_LR.jpg
http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/600/Front_Left_LR.jpg
Just make sure that it low enough so that you have a proper cheek weld that when you switch from optic to irons that you won't have to worry about dealing with your cheek riser getting in the way of using the irons.
Actually it allows the lowest optical mount set-up plus it is rock solid and further more if the optic takes a dump just release the tab and go back to your irons.

You've given me a lot to think about thanks. Looking at your photos I now have totally wild idea that's really out there. Oh it's gonna look bubba'd, but if it works, it will be the coolest possible bubba job on my rifle and reversible without any scars if I don't like it.