My 18 B-day is coming up, and well my b-day gift is my gun license.
So, anywhere I can do like practice test etc.
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My 18 B-day is coming up, and well my b-day gift is my gun license.
So, anywhere I can do like practice test etc.
If you are of average intelligence you will pass without practice tests. The course material is straight forward and easy to understand. Just pay attention.
When you do your practical portion, pick a break action shotgun. They're the easiest thing on earth to prove safe. Look down the barrel....yep....unloaded and safe. Done.
The easy way is to get the paper student handbook(s), and read them, then take the course, and then the tests immediately thereafter.
Here's 6 videos for the Canadian firearms safety course. Ancient stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVnKDEqsRHA
The latest manual (student handbook) is version 5 from 2014, which combines both CFSC and CRFSC into one manual:
http://publications.gc.ca/collection...1-2014-eng.pdf
There's a free on line test exam at the bottom of
http://www.firearmstraining.ca/exam.htm
Here's the old 2008-ish manuals (don't read these)
http://www.gov.pe.ca/photos/original/CFSCmanualVer2.pdf
http://www.gov.pe.ca/photos/original/CRFSCmanualV2.pdf
yepQuote:
Originally Posted by Tactical72
Thanks mate, I had to do my driving license twice both my class 7 and 5 so I dont want a repeat of that lol ;). Just would like to have an idea what am in for.Quote:
Originally Posted by RangeBob
Okay note taken. Use that if they have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksmithden
The written portion is easy if you've read your material. Purchasing the book before hand and reading it is very helpful, but it's multiple choice so it's not bad. Just READ THE QUESTION CAREFULLY, some of them are worded a little 'weird'.
the practical - go slow and think. The most common mistake is putting a finger on the trigger, be VERY careful not to do that. The rest of it is covered in the books, but pay attention to things like checking the headstamp against the barrel markings whenever you're loading, and make sure you know how to cross an obstacle (gun muzzle is pointed away from the point you'll cross at, etc). You shouldn't have a problem if you just remember the steps and basic rules - never touch the trigger till you're ready to fire, never point the gun in an unsafe direction, ALWAYS acts and prove and check your headstamps. You should be fine.
It's a lot easier getting a firearm than it is getting your class 3a
Do everything the previous posters mentioned....and don't be a criminal ;)
In all seriousness, just pay attention in your safety courses, there is a lot of common sense involved and you will be fine
You got to choose?Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksmithden
I did both restricted and non-restricted rolled into one course. Two practicals done at the same time. The instructor had a whole bunch of various actions; rifles, shotguns, pistols, revolvers all scattered across the table. He then said "Pick up a *insert non restricted action here* and prove it safe". After that was done he said "Now pick up a *insert restricted action here* and prove it safe".
I got what he called the cowboy combo, a lever action rifle and a double action revolver. My dad got a pump action shotgun and a semi-auto pistol iirc.
Either way, don't worry about it too much OP. Pay attention and you'll be just fine. My girlfriend did her PAL and RPAL last year. She'd shot a few times with me and I'd given her a basic run down of the actions I own (bolt, pump, semi rifle) but she had to learn the practical handgun stuff in the course as I don't own any right now. She passed with flying colours. :)
Yeah, i didn't get to choose either, and i got the lever gun as well :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingHigh
You guys have better memories than me
Didn't work that way in Nova Scotia. You are handed something random - no choice. You need to know how to prove it safe, identify ammunition for it, and secure it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksmithden
If you have that sort of test in your region, use the break times in the course to become familiar with every type of firearm. If there is a semi-auto shotgun, don't lose a fingertip in the action when you figure out where the bolt release button is. Some classes avoid stocking the semi-auto shotgun for liability reasons, but the place I went had the attitude to prepare you for everything rather than be too protective.
If you're not familiar with how something on that particular rifle/shotgun/handgun works all you have to do is ask.
They were fine with someone not knowing the button to open the action for instance. They show you how to open it(or release the mag, ect.), then you continue on proving it safe.
It's like passing a driving test. Do everything slow and exaggerated, and narrate what you're doing. Keep an eye on your instructor, they'll probably be giving you little cues.
Remember, kids take the same PAL course adults do, and they pass it all the time. Don't point the test firearm anywhere you're not supposed to, keep your finger well away from the trigger and trigger guard, be able to rattle off ACTS/PROVE, and for the multiple choice tests, whichever answer is the most overly-cautious, in terms of safety, is probably correct.
The test is designed to let people pass it. You really need to be either completely and obnoxiously not paying attention and half-assing it, or be an utter moron to fail.
I have now sat through the course 3 times (helping instructor not taking it) and it is "please pickup the bolt action rifle" "please pick up the semi automatic shot gun" "please pick up the lever action rifle". You ACTS and PROVE the gun when you pick it up and again when you set it down. You will have to demonstrate how to load each gun. ONCE IT IS LOADED PUT ON THE SAFETY.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksmithden
You need to know how to ACTS and PROVE all of them but it is covered in the course and you do get to practice with each kind before hand.
Know how to read your head stamps and data stamps.
You will also have to demonstrate a couple of shooting positions (kneeling and standing) and what to do if you have to cross a fence. ACTS and PROVE the gun when you set it down and AGAIN when u pick it up. Even though you just did it when you set it down it is a mark against you if you don't check when you pick it up just in case "something accidentally got in the barrel or action". ALWAYS leave the action open when you are setting down an ACTSed and PROVEd gun.
The 2 HUGE things is pointed in a safe direction and finger off of trigger and outside of trigger guard and as mentioned before talk your way through because even if you don't completely properly demonstrate what you are doing the examiner will still know what you are attempting to do.
Dear original poster :
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by greywolf67nt
The 2008 manual had a full page repeating ACTS & PROVE only on every 10th page or so.
During the practical test, mumble out the phrases for each letter of ACTS & PROVE as you're doing it, to explain what you're thinking as you move your hands.
And of course, do the correct things with your hands -- no touching the trigger, no sweeping the instructor.
You get to choose two numbers between 1 and 5 that correlate to the 5 different actions. You should not be given a direct choice as to the two action types you will be tested on, that is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingHigh
Back when my dad got his license, they had actual range time shooting. Some guy there sweeped everyone on the range!Quote:
Originally Posted by RangeBob
It really can't be stated enough that the course is dead simple to pass. Arguably, too simple to pass. The instructor wants you to pass. None of the questions are 'gotchas' or designed to trip you up or trick you; some of them are written awkwardly or stupidly, but it's just awkward writing, not trying to trap you.
Take advantage of the hands-on time during the course to familiarize yourself with all of the different actions and styles. Even during the practical, it's perfectly cromulent to say 'I'm not familiar with this exact make/model; where is the safety? Can the magazine be ejected with the safety on?" and so on.
Somebody else mentioned always setting the safety when you're done handling the firearm; that's a good catch, and oddly, something that gets glossed over in the course. I'd add to that, get into the habit of putting down the firearm with the action open whenever possible. Slide locked back, cylinder out, bolt open (or even removed,) whatever. Safety on if possible. I'd say that putting the firearm down with the action open is better than action closed and safety on, but I'd narrate that too. "I've now proven the firearm unloaded and safe. I'm putting it down with the action open for easy inspection. This is a 1911-style handgun, so the safety cannot be engaged with the slide open, so I'm not engaging it."
Not sure about elsewhere but the test in AB and NT is actually written out with what you have the student do. The only flexibility the examiner has is what cartridges you have to identify.Quote:
Originally Posted by TPK
The break action is so simple they don't test you on it but I'm not sure why they don't test on the semi.
READ EVERY QUESTION CAREFULLY.
Like TheCenturion said some of the questions are written poorly. I don't have any "for examples" right off the top of my head but as long as your reading comprehension is good a question that seems odd on first reading will make sense the second or third time.
We have had some ESL students and they all passed.
That's odd as there shouldn't be a difference between Provinces/Territories considering the PAL/RPAL course is Federal, one would assume it was the same everywhere in Canada.
For sure the practical test is written out with what you have the student do, but the practical test is supposed to begin with "pick two numbers between one and five" as that determines the actions they will do the testing on. In fact there are five versions of the 1-5 list that we change up so once a student does the practical, they can't tell the remaining students what action correlates to the numbers they chose as the matrix changes every-time .. or at least five versions of the matrix are used so it's very hard to determine what action is associated to what number. Now whether or not the instructor actually does this or just "pretends" to and then chooses what firearms he wants the student to be tested on one would never know.
over thinking things a bit ehQuote:
In fact there are five versions of the 1-5 list that we change up so once a student does the practical, they can't tell the remaining students what action correlates to the numbers they chose as the matrix changes every-time
Nope, not at all, it all comes in your instructor kit. Having it written out just makes it easier for the instructor.Quote:
Originally Posted by lone-wolf
It's not much of a stretch to think students would try "helping" each other by letting them know what number they need to choose to get the break open, etc.
I had to pass the non restricted test twice. Once in Alberta which was normal and once in Quebec as they didn't accept the Alberta test and that was a pain with the stupid Quebec rules. To prove a firearm safe in Quebec involves a cleaning rod on a lot of firearms. I was lucky and got a S&W bolt action rifle and the bolt just slips out so I could look down the barrel from the back. It's against the law to point a firearm at some one in Quebec so you can't look down the barrel from the front as your pointing it at some one. Go figure.
I prefer these two techniques, after PROV, then to do E:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenwp
1) put a barrel light into the chamber, and put a mirror at the muzzle, and look at the mirror.
2) put a barrel light into the muzzle, and put your finger near the chamber, look for light on your finger.
Admittedly there could be a little bit of dirt in there still, but certainly no stuck bullets.
But you can't do those at a CFSC practical test.
During the American Civil War, officers were encouraged to watch their men to ensure they fired their rifles. After a battle it was common to find a couple rifles that had as many as six sets of bullets and powder neatly rammed into a single rifle barrel.
It's an offense to point a firearm at anyone in any Province or Territory, not just Quebec.
When doing ACTS and PROVE, the last thing is examine the bore, if done in the correct sequence the firearm can not be loaded and so is deemed to have been PROVEN safe.
The Practical test starts with picking two numbers and going over what is expected of the student including telling them what deductions will be made for what ever mistake is made IE; two points for pointing in an unsafe direction, two points if your finger is in the trigger guard on on the trigger when it shouldn't be, two points for trying to load incorrect ammo, etc, up to 7 points or an automatic failure if you point the firearm at me or YOU unless you are pointing it at yourself as the last step of PROVE. Automatic failure trying to do a visual bore inspection from the muzzle end if the action is closed. It's all covered in the instructors pre-amble to the test and the student is then asked if they understand everything, if so, we proceed to the testing but it is CLEARLY outlined and DISCUSSED.
Mind your Fingers and the the Range of Motion.
The fellas I took my course through had tested us on everything.. pump-action, break, lever, single shot and semi-auto, pistol and revolvers.
I got points deducted because of ONE stupid thing.
Now, keep in mind: stupid + weapons = problems.
During a pistol inspection, the instructor couldn't see if my finger was on the trigger or not [it wasn't], and when I turned my wrist down to lay the pistol on its side and show the location of my finger, my movement caused the barrel to move about 2" outside the designated safe-zone-of-control and they nabbed me on that.
Back when I did it......after letting my FAC expire for many many years, they just told us to pick a gun out of the pile. Perhaps the test has evolved since then. Perhaps it was because I was talking to the instructor before the course started and they got the point that I wasn't there to learn base level stuff about guns. I managed to sit through the first 15 minutes of a video and asked to challenge the example. Passed both the restricted and non restricted with 100%. I remember the only thing that I got wrong was when they held up a 22lr cartridge and asked me what kind of "bullet' it was. I said 'hollow point ?'.....I couldn't actually see the tip. Nope. I said 'round nose ?' Nope.....it's a 22 long rifle. I said '°You asked what kind of bullet it was, not what kind of cartridge it was'. Still marked me wrong...dumb twit.Quote:
Originally Posted by greywolf67nt
When I did it there was no option in my area to just challenge the test, it was conducted in 4 (I think) classes and then the exam day. So 5 sessions in total (if I recall correctly).
Anyway, the first half of the classes was just going over the material covered in the book. The book is where all the information on the written portion of the exam comes from. From what I remember, the questions for the written portion are all multiple selection and they are all stupid simple. Just read through all the answers twice before selecting the right one. There were no trick questions and I think there was only one trivia sort of question. Something like "To what distance is a .22 LR lethal?" and even though it seems like a sort of trivia type question, the answer to that question and every other one is taken directly from material in the book. My instructor loaned books to us if we needed them, I don't know if that is standard practice for all instructors.
The second half of each class was dedicated to practical aspects of firearms. We were shown actual (deactivated) rifles and shotguns and took turns handling them and practicing the normal safety procedures. The standard sequence was this:
1)The instructor designates which direction is down range.
2)You select the action you want to learn more about.
3)The first thing you do after picking up the firearm is ensure that the muzzle is pointed down range.
4)Ensure the firearm is unloaded. Open the action and inspect the bore, then leave the action open while still keeping your muzzle pointed down range.
5)Read the barrel of the firearm to determine its caliber/gauge and the type of ammunition it is chambered in.
6)Select the correct ammunition from a pile by reading the bottom of the cartridge/shell.
7)Load the firearm while keeping the muzzle pointed down range and put the safety on after it is loaded.
8)Unload the firearm and leave the action open, then set it on the table with muzzle still pointed down range.
*Note* At no point does your finger ever go inside the trigger guard. Ever. At all. There is no time throughout the entire experience from starting to finishing the course that your finger enters a trigger guard.
Throughout the instructor may ask questions.Things like what is the model of the firearm, or what type of safety it has, or even what type of sights it has. The actual practical portion of the exam is entirely based on safety and no trivia about sights of model numbers will be tested (as far as I know).
It really isn't a difficult exam, I got 100% on both written and practical. Just make sure you are familiar with the 5 different actions, and if you get the opportunity to handle the test firearms beforehand then you should. The deactivated firearms we were shown in class were the same ones used in our exam, so if you have the option of class sessions then you should go to them.
This is better than a good article. This is fantastic. Excellent work and thank you. I’m going out to the range for the first time today, and now I feel well prepared.
No longer an option anywhere says da lawQuote:
When I did it there was no option in my area to just challenge the test