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Lol dude read the post just above yours again. There is no mistake in my numbers. Learn how to calculate percentages, and then come back. TLDR.

Lol dude, how ignorant are you?? First i had to explain the importance of zeros, rhen I needed to point out that billions come after millions, and now i have to explain how to calculate percentages??lol are you serious??? Here goes more embarassment, since you ask so nicely lol. When you divide...

LOL oh this one is gonna be good. I thought you might have had enough embarassment for one day, but it seems you still want some. So i'll gladly keep playing. (I didn't read all of your post by the way, I'm already wasting a lot of time trying to explain gradeschool math to someone who forgets...

LOL lets look at your biggest math fail, Foxer... Then you went on to say : LOL yeah, except the number you should've been dividing by 2000 was 100 million...not 1 million. Oops. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: So the result your own guesstimation math should have given you was one in 50,000 gun...

I said TRY to follow. But I kind of knew that wouldn't work out... LOL a few posts ago they were more dangerous because they don't "self-secure"...and now you seem to state guns don't just load and go off by themselves, and require the actual will and handling of someone to become...

You said I couldn't give any example of the systems I was proposing that didn't require government involvement for gun sales. I just did. Try to follow. You obviously have a hard time doing that, but just try. LOL right. So a car is safe because you need keys...but in your world guns are just...

Adult walks into gun store. Retailer checks for criminal record through dedicated judicial information computer system. No record shows. No evidence that adult is a danger to anyone, never has been, so adult purchases gun. No government involvement. No criminalization of the peaceful and...

Sure I can. I don't agree that training should be mandatory for ownership. Ditto. I've been very clear about that in my first post.

No, I assure you, I really don't. Theres a vast difference between having to ask the government permission for something, and the default being that you have a right to own it. And even though certain "disqualification" criterias might be reasonnable or desirable for scenario #2, there most...

Go back. I didn't realize I had posted while I was still editing. (and before you try to attack me on the editing part, english isn't my first language, so I often require to work more extensively on what I write to make sure I explain myself clearly and don't use the wrong words and expressions)

You're actually the one who brought up tracking, not I. So that swing and miss is on you. Nobody said it was "civilian" based, but keep assuming things and putting words in my mouth...that goes to show how narrowminded you are. Seeing that you agree with a system where the default is the...

Then I'm not exactly surprised the same sort of willful ignorance is so present in your posts... And if police are able to track commonly used items to make bombs without there being a mandatory training/licensing scheme for them...then I guess you just proved my point 100%. So thanks...

I see you left out the example of prescription drugs. Nice cherry picking. Guns have safeties and locks too. Again, the idea that safe storage can only be achieved with a mandatory training/government licensing scheme is flat out stupid. Kids can die from taking a fork and sticking it inside...

Its actually way easier to kill people with bombs than it is with guns. And 100% of people including yourself have unrestricted access to what it takes to make a bomb...So i'll sit here patiently, waiting to hear how you think people should receive mandatory training to own such dangerous...

If a 7 year old fins a katana, or a bottle of drano under the sink? Or the prescription drugs in the cabinet? Do I really need to make you a lsit of things that don't "self secure", that are deadly to a child, as easy (or even easier) to use/handle as a gun, and that yet do not require us to...

As appropriate or questionable as him leaving you his car, his bow, his rambo knife, his katana sword, or the contents of his shed in which there happens to be a gasoline canister, an empty glass bottle, a lighter and a piece of cloth. Are you advocating for training/licensing/certification for...

Although there might exist a theoretical and semantical difference between the words "possession" and "ownership", those differences are irrelevant for the sake of my argument. Just like for posessing a car, or a plane in my garage, I should be able to posess a gun in my home without needing...

I see you belong to the group of people confused about the concepts I bring up. Your first mistake was to assume that the objects I was talking about were necessarily cars and planes...and that assumption is wrong. But for the sake of pointing out the flaw in your argument, I'll gladly play...

If like me some believe that firearm ownership is a matter of property rights, then no, we most definitely cannot all agree with that. There is an array of deadly/dangerous objects we use and own in everyday lives, that require proper safe handling, and we all accept that common sense/proper...

Thanks boys! cheers