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    https://nfa.ca/2005/02/25/antique-an...wder-firearms/

    Under the current legislation, “any antique firearm” (including, apparently, a loaded one) is not a “firearm” for the following purposes:

    1. Firearms Act: None of the provisions of the Firearms Act, including those requiring registration, licences, ATTs and/or ATCs, apply to any “antique firearm.”
    2. CC s. 91 and 92: Possession of any “antique firearm” without a licence or registration certificate is legal.
    3. CC s. 93: Possession of any “antique firearm” at any location is legal.

    4. CC s. 94: Being in a motor vehicle with any “antique firearm” is legal.
    5. CC s. 95: Being in possession of a loaded “antique firearm” (which is also a “restricted firearm” or a “prohibited firearm”), or one with readily accessible ammunition is legal even if the person is not the holder of any licence, registration certificate, ATT, or ATC.
    6. CC s. 99: Transferring or offering to transfer any “antique firearm” is legal.
    7. CC s. 100: Dealing in any type of any “antique firearm” is legal.
    8. CC s. 101: Transferring any “antique firearm” is legal if the transfer apparently violates the Firearms Act.
    9. CC s. 103 and 104: Importing or exporting any “antique firearm” is legal.
    10. CC s. 105: Not reporting the loss or finding of any “antique firearm” is legal.
    11. CC s. 106 and 107: Not reporting the destruction of any “antique firearm” is legal, and knowingly making a false report of that type to a firearms official or the police is legal.
    12. CC s. 117.03: A peace officer who finds a person in possession of any “antique firearm” is not authorized to demand that the person present a licence, registration certificate, ATT, and/or ATC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyboybc View Post
    This post confuses me as according to NFA Canada:
    "no FAC, licence, ATT, ATC, registration certificate, transfer procedure, or documentation is required for any transfer, transportation, or possession of any “antique firearm.” Also, as CC s. 84(3) says, nothing in the Firearms Act applies to any “antique firearm.” https://nfa.ca/2005/02/25/antique-an...wder-firearms/

    So why was your friend even trying to get "antique status"? NO documentation is required. We carry proof of the legislation and proof of status just to appease police. It's in no way required.

    CFC (which does not exist anymore it's the RCMP now) is NOT involved in any way. They can not "refuse Antique Status" as they don't GRANT such status nor are you required to even contact them if you have an antique. Or rather an antique breech plug with appropriate length barrel (Same class the breech plug came from).
    The CFP does classify a thing as a restricted firearm. To avoid restricted classification, it is necessary to be able to prove that the thing actually qualifies as a deemed or prescribed antique. If you have a gun that you believe to be antique you aren't required to clear it with the CFP. But if it ever attracts attention, you had better be able to demonstrate antique status, because otherwise a charge of possession of an unregistered restricted firearm could be laid.
    Don't take the breechplug thing too far. There is nothing in the law, or case law precedents that a breechplug is the receiver of a lock, stock and barrel firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyboybc View Post
    This post confuses me as according to NFA Canada:
    "no FAC, licence, ATT, ATC, registration certificate, transfer procedure, or documentation is required for any transfer, transportation, or possession of any “antique firearm.” Also, as CC s. 84(3) says, nothing in the Firearms Act applies to any “antique firearm.” https://nfa.ca/2005/02/25/antique-an...wder-firearms/

    So why was your friend even trying to get "antique status"? NO documentation is required. We carry proof of the legislation and proof of status just to appease police. It's in no way required.

    CFC (which does not exist anymore it's the RCMP now) is NOT involved in any way. They can not "refuse Antique Status" as they don't GRANT such status nor are you required to even contact them if you have an antique. Or rather an antique breech plug with appropriate length barrel (Same class the breech plug came from).
    Well the problem is they did refuse to issue the paperwork that they were antique and would not budge. Both were recently sold on CGN and were antique and both buyers wanted that appropriate paper work so when the seller applied for it he was point blank refused. Both were very rare and in the end both buyers took them registered as restricted knowing they may never get a another opportunity to add it to their collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weasel View Post
    There is nothing in the law, or case law precedents that a breechplug is the receiver of a lock, stock and barrel firearm.
    Direct quote from NFA

    With muzzle-loading firearms, one of the severe problems is that there is no “frame or receiver” in many such firearms. The CFC issued a rather witless answer, which the NFA is exploiting, saying that the breech plug in such a firearm is the “frame or receiver” because the barrel screws onto it. Therefore, the breech plug IS the “firearm” — and is the ONLY part of your muzzle-loader that requires registration

    So this comes directly from CFC. The breech plug IS the firearm. If it is antique then it is a NON firearm requiring no registration. You only have to be able to prove that the breech plug is a genuine antique.

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    As NFA pointed out, a witless statement. No substantiation, no precedents. Go for it. Fill yer boots. Place your trust in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weasel View Post
    As NFA pointed out, a witless statement. No substantiation, no precedents. Go for it. Fill yer boots. Place your trust in it.
    I do not understand. Are you saying that I cannot rely on the guidance of CFC and RCMP?

    They make the rules.

    So who is the authority?

    CFC said "breech plugs" RCMP answered with "barrels". SOMETHING has to be the equivalent to the "frame or receiver" or you could not replace your FLINT on an antique.

    All I can do is follow the guidelines set out by the authorities. The authorities say "breech" and "barrel" depending on who it was.

    If BOTH were documented antiques how could I possibly go wrong?

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    No, you don't understand. But it doesn't matter. Do as you please. No one cares.

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