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    Email from RCMP regarding BX-25X2 turns into GSG drum magazine becoming prohibited

    Just came across this on another site where someone asked the RCMP about the classification of BX-25X2 magazines, which turned into a discussion about the BX-25 and then suddenly, casually, mentions that the GSG drums are prohibited because they fit the charger. Wonder what they think about the butler creek magazines....

    I had written to the RCMP lab a few weeks ago to find out if the BX-25X2 (BX-50) mags were going to be prohibited . The BX-25 ones are, of course, as they were marketed for the charger pistol. I noted that the BX-25X2 are not marked as being for the charger. Note that he does not answer the question but does go on to say that the GSG 110 rd mags are prohibited which is news to us.
    Your question regarding magazine capacity for the 10/22 platform has been forwarded to me for answer.

    The Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted limit the capacity of certain firearm magazines in order to reduce the number of shots that can be fired in quick succession. As set out in the Regulations, the capacity limit of firearm magazines is based on the type of firearm the magazine was designed for. The maximum capacity is five cartridges for a magazine designed for a semi-automatic, centre-fire long gun, and 10 cartridges for a magazine designed for a handgun.

    Larger-capacity magazines designed for these types of firearms are prohibited devices under the Criminal Code, and individuals cannot lawfully possess them. However, if the magazines are permanently altered, or pinned, so that they cannot hold more than the legal limit, they are no longer considered to be prohibited.

    Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns that shoot rimfire ammunition are subject to a maximum capacity of 10 cartridges. The 25-shot Ruger BX-25 is interchangeable between the Ruger model 10/22 and SR22 rifles and Ruger 22 Charger handgun configurations (the product manual on the Ruger website states this explicitly) and is therefore considered a "handgun" magazine. Because handguns are limited to a ten shot magazine capacity in accordance with the Regulations (paragraph 3 (1)(b)), this limits the magazine capacity for the BX-25 magazine to ten (10) shots, despite the firearm being designed to use rim-fire ammunition.

    The German Sport Guns Ruger 10/22 110-Round Drum Magazine, is a prohibited device because it is a dual-purpose magazine that is designed or manufactured to fit into a handgun. this particular magazine is also designed to fit the Ruger 10/22 platform, which, as it includes the Charger handgun is subject to the limit of 10 shots for handguns.



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    Well...there were sure a pile of those drums at Cabelas the other day....

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    OK .... what's next on the prohibited list!

    Is there an Official Statement from the RCMP about this?
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    I guess that means that the RCMP considers all 10/22 mags as pistol mags from now on ...

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    The GSG 110 rnd drums...the ones they sell in Canada are NOT prohibited, and do NOT fit the charger pistols. They actually say "for Canada" on the box they come in. This has been addressed again and again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aprilia Man View Post
    OK .... what's next on the prohibited list!

    Is there an Official Statement from the RCMP about this?
    Only what you see above. I haven't seen anything else yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by blacksmithden View Post
    The GSG 110 rnd drums...the ones they sell in Canada are NOT prohibited, and do NOT fit the charger pistols. They actually say "for Canada" on the box they come in. This has been addressed again and again.
    I'm still shaking my head at how this guy made the leap from a question about BX50 mags to GSG drums. But is it inappropriate to use the phrase "beat a dead horse" when it comes to the RCMP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aprilia Man View Post
    OK .... what's next on the prohibited list!

    Is there an Official Statement from the RCMP about this?
    There was never an official statement from the RCMP regarding the 25 round magazines for the Mossberg 715T, but they are prohibited. Even a month after the email that was sent to the RCMP from Mossberg, I was looking at possibly buying one of the 715Ts, both Wholesale Sports & Cabela's had the 25 round magazines for sale, and on the shelf. Apparently, whenever something is deemed prohibited, even if it is just thought up by someone within the RCMP, and they never tell anyone, and keep it to themselves, you can still end up in trouble. If someone in the country is out one day, you know, in the areas without internet (which there are plenty) shooting at the gravel pits, and is approached by some sort of law enforcement, they are going to end up with some serious court costs for possessing a prohibited device... This stuff is just getting out of hand

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    The German Sport Guns Ruger 10/22 110-Round Drum Magazine, is a prohibited device because it is a dual-purpose magazine that is designed or manufactured to fit into a handgun. this particular magazine is also designed to fit the Ruger 10/22 platform, which, as it includes the Charger handgun is subject to the limit of 10 shots for handguns.
    It would seem his "logic" is that ANY magazine designed for the 10/22 platform is now limited to 10 rounds.
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    Well his logic is erroneous since the gsg mag is still not prohibited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kane63 View Post
    I'm still shaking my head at how this guy made the leap from a question about BX50 mags to GSG drums. But is it inappropriate to use the phrase "beat a dumb horseman" when it comes to the RCMP?
    There, corrected it for you. So, the big question is.....how can we get this "stupid horseman" out doing parking patrol; that would appear possibly within his level of competence. Certainly interpreting firearms law is not.

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