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    Episode 3 of "Bill C42 for Dummies"

    Episode 3 - Six month grace period for expired PAL/POL. Feel the danger to the public!!!

    Rod Giltaca, PAL Instructor
    Civil Advantage Firearms Training

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    Good work sir. I wish we had 10 more of you.

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    Perfect.

    Guy ruins 20 people's lives. House arrest for a bit.
    PAL holder doesn't get a renewal notice. Prison, retirement savings destroyed.



    “The program became excessively regulatory”
    “10.67 In February 2001, the Department told the Government it had wanted to focus on the minority of firearms owners that posed a high risk while minimizing the impact on the overwhelming majority of law-abiding owners. However, the Department concluded that this did not happen. Rather, it stated that the Program's focus had changed from high-risk firearms owners to excessive regulation and enforcement of controls over all owners and their firearms. The Department concluded that, as a result, the Program had become overly complex and very costly to deliver, and that it had become difficult for owners to comply with the Program.
    10.68 The Department said the excessive regulation had occurred because some of its Program partners believed that:
    •the use of firearms is in itself a "questionable activity" that required strong controls, and
    •there should be a zero-tolerance attitude toward non-compliance with the Firearms Act.”
    – Sheila Fraser Auditor General Report 2002


    "15. Accuracy of information is essential to support police and reduce risks to public safety. However, there are a number of reasons to question the quality of the data in the Canadian Firearms Information System (CFIS).
    16. The audit expressed concerns about the data in CFIS as a result of the Centre processing incomplete registrations from firearm owners before a statutory deadline, not validating information against other federal or provincial databases, and not confirming data transferred from the previous Restricted Weapon Registration System (about half of the 1.2 million restricted weapons in RWRS had not been re-registered). The rate of undeliverable mail resulting from wrong addresses has ranged from 7 to 23%, depending on the type of notice being sent. Verifications at the time of firearm transfers have shown that the firearm’s make, serial number and action (e.g., bolt action or semi-automatic) has been wrong 12%, 3% and 9% of the time, respectively. There may also be errors in an owner’s name or date of birth, and potential duplicate registration certificates. Lastly, the Centre did not know the status of 62% of the firearms for which registration certificates were revoked between July and October 2005.
    18. The Committee is very concerned about the problems contained in the Canadian Firearms Information System. The data quality issues are quite extensive and cannot be easily fixed. It will be a major administrative hurdle to correct the data and the cost may be prohibitive. The system is useful only insofar as the data it contains is reliable and accurate. Inaccurate information could compromise the safety of the police officers who rely upon the system. While the Committee was told that the RCMP has a team working every day on the data quality issue, the Committee would like more information and greater assurance that the problems are being resolved."
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    -- Sheila Fraser, 2006 May Status Report of the Auditor General of Canada, Chapter 4—Canadian Firearms Program
    http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/c...CP_Rpt10-e.pdf





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    Another good and useful clip.

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    It was good see the CGC exposed for the useless failures they are. In a polite manner of course. That home care worker also had no business going into that veterans personal possessions. If they did have permission, they should have kept their mouth shut, acted like a professional and provided the care they are suppose to without question.
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    Useful post Rangebob and great vid CivilAdvantage
    Proud member of the CCFR, CSSA & NRA

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    6 month grace period, stupid, should be a year at least, c91&92 need amending


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    Quote Originally Posted by inky@mymts.net View Post
    6 month grace period, stupid, should be a year at least, c91&92 need amending
    PAL should be lifetime with no expiry. The "continuous eligibility screening" conducted nightly makes a license expiry moot. The only reason for a renewal is for an updated photo and, more importantly, to collect those large user fees.
    Spread the word on petition e-2341 (Democratic process). Send people to http://oneclearvoice.ca which takes them directly to the petition.

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    Well spoken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    PAL should be lifetime with no expiry. The "continuous eligibility screening" conducted nightly makes a license expiry moot. The only reason for a renewal is for an updated photo and, more importantly, to collect those large user fees.
    The RCMP say they do extended background checks at the 5 year renewal. I assume that means that if they've had any issues with the person, such as an anger complaint insufficient to revoke the PAL at the time, they call the spouse and contacts for information that wouldn't have made it into the FIP. Obviously no information on the cost(?) effectiveness of such effort has ever been released, and I doubt ever been done.

    On CGN last year a Quebec fella bought a restricted rifle and there was an extended delay. The CFO email about the delay said that a purchase of any semi auto rifle similar to the type used at Polytechnique or Sandy Hook now resulted in extended background checks at the time of purchase. I only saw one mention of that (internet quality information, or one-time-event, or temporary-single-province-program, or ...).

    Other than those possibilities, yes, yes and yes.

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