No More Rivets for Pmags!

[short1]

Thank you Marshall for elaborating on the legalities.

[Marshall]

Thank you Marshall for elaborating on the legalities.

You're welcome!

[Edenchef]

I totally agree, sir. But try telling Ian T that he was legal.

[Marshall]

I'm sure the sarcasm smiley would get a lot of use in discussions such as this...

[DOOK]

So, just to be clear; an unaltered magazine body without parts is only illegal when you try to import it? As an unassembled magazine body already in Canada without a rivet, indent or other body attached blocking device, that is legal?

Wasn't there case law on this already? I do believe there was a guy trying to import bodies by themselves to be pinned in Canada. He was charged, and convicted. What is to stop someone from being charged with an unassembled magazine body that hasn't been modified to limit to 5 because a baseplate block is being used?

[Marshall]

So, just to be clear; an unaltered magazine body without parts is only illegal when you try to import it? As an unassembled magazine body already in Canada without a rivet, indent or other body attached blocking device, that is legal?

Wasn't there case law on this already? I do believe there was a guy trying to import bodies by themselves to be pinned in Canada. He was charged, and convicted. What is to stop someone from being charged with an unassembled magazine body that hasn't been modified to limit to 5 because a baseplate block is being used?

First let me clarify that I'm not a lawyer or a judge... but I do know what CBSA will and will not allow for import. As mentioned previously, we have had these magazines inspected by CBSA and there was no issue.

To the point of the question, one could certainly argue that the body alone could be considered prohibited as was the case when the referenced individual was charged and convicted of trying to import them. However, once the magazine is assembled it is no longer a prohibited device as it can be clearly demonstrated that it will not hold more than the specified five or ten rounds. The S&W M&P22 pistol is a good example of an allowable factory 10 round magazine which has an internal block. Only difference between that and ours is their block is easily removed by hand and needs no replacement parts in order to function with the block removed.

With that all said I suppose if you had the need or desire to transport the empty bodies it would be wise to add a rivet, but as long as they are assembled I see no reason for concern.

[RangeBob]

I do believe there was a guy trying to import bodies by themselves to be pinned in Canada. He was charged, and convicted.

R. v. Cancade, 2008/2011 BCCA
-- 2011 http://canlii.ca/t/fkfmh
-- 2008 http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/0...bcpc-336.shtml

[Marshall]

R. v. Cancade, 2008/2011 BCCA
-- 2011 http://canlii.ca/t/fkfmh
-- 2008 http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/0...bcpc-336.shtml

If we were take this case as a precedent, then all standard capacity magazines would need to be considered as prohibited devices. As I've mentioned in a previous post, the rivets can easily be removed with nothing more than a multi-tool in in far less time than it has taken me to type this. We just brought in another dozen Gen 2's with no issue at CBSA, so I have to believe that there were other mitigating circumstances surrounding this case.

[short1]

Thank you again Marshall for navigating the minefield that is Canadian Firearms Law.

[Battle Beaver]

For people like me who already have many (I have 8) Gen3 Pmags, will you be selling the internal block piece separately so I can get rid of my rivet and use these instead?

And before anyone asks, the fact that these new mags can be disassembled is awesome. During dis-assembly you'll have all the parts separated, and therefore the magazine body by itself. If I were to purchase 8 of the internal block pieces (assuming they're available separately), I'd have to remove the rivets in my existing mag bodies, thereby making them exactly the same as the NEW mag bodies that already come with the insert (mine would have a hold where the rivet was obviously).

Finally (again assuming you can/will sell the internal blocks), does anyone see any legal issues with doing this to your existing mags??

Thanks,
Battle Beaver