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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    I don't mean 99.9% of this forum but 99.9% of Canadian gun owners across the country.
    Most would settle for a gov't that would tell the RCMP to go back under its rock and lick its nutz.
    And give us back the cfsc test challenge option without having to take the course ... that's doable.

    Repeal c68 and give us ccw ... not gonna happen and we all know it.

    Make way for the chest thumpers
    No chest thumping here. But you just told a leadership candidate that he can continue the system that is cheating my grandchildren out of their inheritance. And their's is chump change compared to many others.

    And you are happy, as long as you get to keep your toys.

    And to hell with the next group of women who will be dealing bare handed with an armed killer, while waiting for the cops to show up and take custody of their corpses.

    Disgusting!
    To show that men can travel to the moon and return, use the American experience.

    To show that public safety isn’t hurt by responsible individuals carrying to protect life, use the American experience.

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    You're not going to get ccw with guns in Canada ever.
    30% of those on cgn don't even approve of it let alone the general media saturated population.
    Check the ccw threads.
    As for pepper spray we can carry it now as long as we say its for defense against aggressive dogs.

    You want any more then better invent a political party that will support such a platform because none of the 4 liberal parties in existence today will.
    Until then licensing and classifications are here to stay,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    You're not going to get ccw with guns in Canada ever.
    30% of those on cgn don't even approve of it let alone the general media saturated population.
    Check the ccw threads.
    As for pepper spray we can carry it now as long as we say its for defense against aggressive dogs.

    You want any more then better invent a political party that will support such a platform because none of the 4 liberal parties in existence today will.
    Until then licensing and classifications are here to stay,

    ^^ ^^ ^^

    There in a nutshell is the truth that none of the cpc leadership candidates will tell you.
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    Remember how the Reform Party of Canada got started?People were tired of the same old same old.Maybe Mr.Otoole should remember that time.If Mr Otoole is sincere in representing responsible firearms owners in this country, he should study the Firearms Act and then come back and tell us what he thinks.But will he?

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    I know what you meant, you are wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    I don't mean 99.9% of this forum but 99.9% of Canadian gun owners across the country.
    Most would settle for a gov't that would tell the RCMP to go back under its rock and lick its nutz.
    And give us back the cfsc test challenge option without having to take the course ... that's doable.

    Repeal c68 and give us ccw ... not gonna happen and we all know it.

    Make way for the chest thumpers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relic49 View Post
    Remember how the Reform Party of Canada got started?People were tired of the same old same old.Maybe Mr.Otoole should remember that time.If Mr Otoole is sincere in representing responsible firearms owners in this country, he should study the Firearms Act and then come back and tell us what he thinks.But will he?
    A few fluffy feel good remarks might get a few cheques en route to him without reading or studying a f'king thing.
    Judging by the responses to threads started by candidates or their shills it seems there's some here who'll believe just about anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    I'm aware the power/energy is doubled at 3dB.
    I was going after 'human perceived loudness'. 6dB or 10dB is often used for that, to indicate a doubling of perceived loudness.
    Sidetrack: given that hearing damage is caused by straight input power, and that 'perceived loudness' is variable based on the person, best to go with the 3db.

    To get this back on track, and to respond to a later post, yes, *some* guns are too dangerous for *some* people. Much like a person with a regular driver's license doesn't, or shouldn't, get to drive a motorcycle, an 18-wheeler, and so on, while I do believe that firearms ownership should be a positive right, i.e. you have it until you do something to lose it, there still needs to be some basic competency training of some sort. And I happen to prefer the 'license' model where you walk in, show your license, and that demonstrates that you haven't had the right taken away, rather than having background check run every time you choose to purchase, with the delays inherent in that. I feel like having your PAL application delayed for a month or three is far better than having every firearm purchase sit there for an extra week or two while the CFO gets around to running your background check yet again.

    Yes, it would be lovely to leapfrog to a far saner system, but it ain't going to happen. It really does need to be small steps, with periods of normalization. Education will be the key; as is getting all over any misrepresentation of things; this can range from the media referring to something as an 'assault rifle' to the buddy who honestly, but without malice or fell intent, believes that the 'AR' in AR-15 stands for Assault Rifle, to the crotchety old hunter who thinks that nobody should own a semi-auto rifle, let alone a 'military' semi-auto rifle, despite the fact that their .308Win deer rifle is an excellent sniper rifle, and so on.
    The difference between a 'citizen' and a 'subject' is the right, and responsibility, to bear arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCenturion View Post
    To get this back on track, and to respond to a later post, yes, *some* guns are too dangerous for *some* people. Much like a person with a regular driver's license doesn't, or shouldn't, get to drive a motorcycle, an 18-wheeler, and so on, while I do believe that firearms ownership should be a positive right, i.e. you have it until you do something to lose it, there still needs to be some basic competency training of some sort.
    Well that is because you have been influenced, socially engineered if you will. We don't require such training or licensing for a myriad of other common objects that we can buy and use freely. A chainsaw comes top of mind. Is an axe safer? What about ladders? Should one require a safety course to use a 12 foot ladder? And before you answer with "but guns are more dangerous" or something like "the potential to accidentally kill someone else is..." I'll just say that the statistics throughout our history don't support that.

    Now, I think training is good. But I don't think it needs to be compartmentalized into chunks of "least dangerous" to "most dangerous". In short (and I speak from experience with a wide variety of military weapons) if one learns and lives by:

    1) all guns are always loaded
    2) never point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy
    3) finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot
    4) know your target and beyond

    then one can safely use ANY firearm, yup, including machine guns. And Canadians have done just that and not in the too distant past either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    You're not going to get ccw with guns in Canada ever.
    30% of those on cgn don't even approve of it let alone the general media saturated population.
    Check the ccw threads.
    As for pepper spray we can carry it now as long as we say its for defense against aggressive dogs.

    You want any more then better invent a political party that will support such a platform because none of the 4 liberal parties in existence today will.
    Until then licensing and classifications are here to stay,
    CGN...pfffft! please!! this place is full of sufficient cops and socialist fudds. not a surprise at all,and not a valid sampling of the population's opinion on this specific topic.

    ask the lady who has been murdered by the foolish car robber couple days ago,and the man who's been killed by the same zombie some hours before.....that is the problem, here in canada , people are so coward, they can't picture themself defending their life, to scared and conditionned by the slow progressist brainwash ; facing a lethal threat , most canadians would rather put their head in the sand waiting for their death. easier than pulling a gun out to erase the threat like it should in a sane society where a victim has the full right to return a lethal threat against itself, which is absolutly normal and sane.

    we're living in a country where the justice system need attackers and dead victims. a victim killing an attacker doesn't bring much money in the justice wheel, and i will alaways remeber that most politicians are lawyers ,then scamers, and we're living under their regime,and the canadian gunlaws are thought for their own benefits only, surely not in respect of our individual lifes.
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    This intellectual midget needs to rub the contents of a large tube of PREPARATION H® on his ego and then smack himself with the empty tube until he's in a permanent coma. !

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockfan View Post
    CGN...pfffft! please!! this place is full of sufficient cops and socialist fudds. not a surprise at all,and not a valid sampling of the population's opinion on this specific topic.

    ask the lady who has been murdered by the foolish car robber couple days ago,and the man who's been killed by the same zombie some hours before.....that is the problem, here in canada , people are so coward, they can't picture themself defending their life, to scared and conditionned by the slow progressist brainwash ; facing a lethal threat , most canadians would rather put their head in the sand waiting for their death. easier than pulling a gun out to erase the threat like it should in a sane society where a victim has the full right to return a lethal threat against itself, which is absolutly normal and sane.

    we're living in a country where the justice system need attackers and dead victims. a victim killing an attacker doesn't bring much money in the justice wheel, and i will alaways remeber that most politicians are lawyers ,then scamers, and we're living under their regime,and the canadian gunlaws are thought for their own benefits only, surely not in respect of our individual lifes.

    And even then the Canadian legal system will charge the one who is defending his home and family.
    The turdo I charter has also been a money tree for lawyers.
    A system designed by and for and ran by slimy lawyers.
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