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    Steven Blaney cleared rifle linked by media to mosque attack for 'restricted' status

    February 20th, 2017
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    RCMP moved to prohibit sales of the CZ858, only to be overruled by Public Safety minister

    The only rifle publicly linked to a Quebec mosque shooting that left six Muslim worshipers dead last January is a combat-style semi-automatic firearm the RCMP prohibited in 2014, only to be overruled by then Conservative Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney shortly before the 2015 federal election call.

    Blaney used new authority to override RCMP firearm classifications and make the gun legal, though restricted, under Firearms Act amendments that had finished parliamentary stages and were put into force only two weeks before Prime Minister Stephen Harper dissolved Parliament to clear the way for an Oct. 19 election.

    The same model of the Czechoslovakian-made “tactical” weapon called a CZ858 — which lay people might mistake on sight for the infamous Russian-made AK47 assault rifle — remains restricted, rather than prohibited, despite a decision by the Trudeau government last September to strike down the regulations that allowed Blaney to interfere in the Mountie decision.

    But last Jan. 9, 20 days before the Quebec mosque shootings, the RCMP prohibited a newly-issued version of the CZ858 called the CZ858 Spartan — a gun that had been specifically imported for sale in Canada only last year.

    Two media reports out of Quebec have linked the CZ858 to the mosque attack.

    The Manitoba firearms supplier that opened online sales of the gun in April, 2016, with a purchase price of $995 plus tax and $35 for shipping, also offered accessories such as bayonets and scabbards, military slings and magazine pouches.

    The January RCMP prohibition, circulated through a regular RCMP report to police services, other agencies and firearm dealers, was immediately denounced by gun lobbies and owners, as well as one of their their most vocal supporters in the House of Commons — Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies Conservative MP Bob Zimmer.

    “This is another example of bureaucracy overstepping and making snap judgements that do nothing but cost law-abiding gun owners and manufacturers unnecessarily,” Zimmer wrote on his MP website on Dec. 10, only a day after the RCMP report went out.

    Zimmer said the RCMP justified the prohibition on the grounds that markings on the rifle stock and other areas made it a “special edition” and therefore it did not fit the restricted classification of earlier versions of the CZ858.

    The edition of the CZ858 the RCMP prohibited is the same prohibited model Blaney reclassified to ‘restricted’ in late July, 2015 — a decision Blaney announced July 31, two days before the election call — but it comes with a hardwood stock and engravings that include a maple leaf and an archaic Greek battle cry dating from Sparta’s wars with Persia: “Come and Take Them.”

    Blaney, who represents the federal electoral district of Bellechasse-Les Etchemins-Levis across the St. Lawrence River from Quebec City, is now a candidate for leadership of the federal Conservative party.

    Blaney declined to comment about a reported link between the CZ-858 and the Quebec mosque attack and said Friday an assistant would instead pass on a statement Blaney released about the issue “a few weeks ago” — apparently in the aftermath of the shootings.

    “I’m really in a hurry you know, the leadership race is keeping me really busy,” Blaney said when he picked up the phone directly to answer a call to his Parliament Hill office Friday morning.

    Blaney told a reporter an assistant was to get in touch, following calls the previous day to his office, but did respond when pressed.

    “I believe we had a chance to talk about it a few weeks ago, but I’d really leave it to Pierre-Luc to respond to you,” Blaney said, referring to a discussion he had had with his assistant about the firearm.

    “It’s always important to have a classification system that is based on technical criteria, and that’s what I’ve always promoted. I think we already had a statement about it, so he (the assistant) could provide it to you so you could have, really, what you need for (a news story),” Blaney said before ending the call.

    By mid-afternoon, Blaney’s assistant had not called.

    MP Zimmer’s support for gun owners touched off a controversy in June, 2016, following the shooting death of 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

    After the killings, Huffington Post Canada reported Zimmer had earlier that year sponsored a House of Commons electronic petition calling on the government to ease RCMP restrictions on the same type of semi-automatic rifle a lone gunman used in the night club attack.

    Zimmer did not respond directly to questions about his denunciation of the RCMP’s January decision to prohibit the new edition of the CZ858 in Canada in the context of the subsequent shootings in Quebec — and a Jan. 31 report by Journal de Quebec and Journal de Montreal that cited a source saying he believed the attacker’s rifle was a CZ858.

    Two days later, the sister newspapers reported, without citing sources, that the attacker had a CZ858, though he allegedly also used a 9-millimre semi-automatic pistol after his rifle jammed following initial shots.

    “I haven’t seen that (report), so I won’t comment on it until I know,” Zimmer said in an interview. “My understanding is that it was an AK47, that was my understanding, that was the firearm used, that’s the last I’ve heard, which are prohibited in Canada.”

    He did not say so, but Zimmer appeared to be referring to early eyewitness accounts of what the weapon looked like.

    Zimmer, first elected to the Commons in 2011, represents the sprawling rural riding of Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies that borders Alberta and takes up the entire northeast geographic corner of B.C. The electoral district, like other remote areas of B.C. and Alberta, has a high rate of firearm ownership.

    The RCMP confirmed its re-classification of the new edition of the CZ858 in January, but a spokesperson declined to comment on whether the rifle used by the attacker was a CZ848, on grounds the investigation is continuing.

    “As far as your question on the type of firearm used during the Quebec shooting, unfortunately I can not provide any details,” Cpl. Annie Delisle, a spokesperson for the RCMP in Ottawa, said in email responses to questions. “The RCMP continues to work collaboratively with its partners to investigate and collect evidence.”

    A Quebec City spokesperson for Quebec’s provincial police force, Sûreté du Québec, said the SQ would not be releasing details about the rifle used in the attack because it will be evidence in court.

    The Jan. 9 RCMP Firearms Reference Table report to police services and firearm dealers that prohibited the new CZ858 Tactical 2 2007 describes the gun as a variant of a version of another rifle made by Zbrojoka Bruno and used by the Czech army.

    Though the report says the rifle is “no longer capable of full automatic fire,” it also states the gun “can be converted to a full automatic firearm in a relatively short period of time with relative ease.”

    “The CZ858 Spartan rifle is prohibited because it meets the Criminal Code definition of a prohibited firearm as a converted automatic and is not otherwise prescribed as restricted or non-restricted,” Cpl. Delisle wrote.

    The day after the Quebec attack, two journalists with Le Journal de Quebec and Le Journal de Montreal quoted an informant at the scene who had been helping victims and had “good knowledge of firearms” as saying he was convinced the rifle the shooter used was a CZ848 rather than a Kalashnikov AK47. One of the journalists two days later named the CZ848 as the rifle carried by the assailant.

    The rifle jammed after the attack began, according to eyewitness accounts, but the shooter also had a semi-automatic 9-millimetre pistol and continued his rampage until he reportedly left, to later surrender to police.

    Police charged Alexandre Bissonnette, 27, with six counts of murder and five counts of attempted murder with a restricted firearm.


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    Demonizing the gun that DIDN'T work during the attack at the mosque. Amazing.

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    ^Demonizing Steven Blaney as well.

    What drivel.

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    What a bunch of sensationalist drivel. From what I understand, the rifle malfunctioned from the get go and so the killer used a Beretta pistol instead.
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    So, were they shot with the CZ858 (or CZ848 later in the story) or was it the 9 mm? So much speculation, so little fact.
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    thank god wendy survived another attack. i mean she lives in the same countey it happened in....
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    IIRC the RCMP prohibition reversed by Blaney only affected those guns manufactured after 2007?

    Has the "journalist" seen the gun in question? Has he/she tracked the serial number to see if it one that was included in the prohibition?

    My guess is no considering he/she can't even get the name right. CZ 848. WTF is that?

    Plus what if the prohibition stood and the shooter never turned it in? Who would the media blame then? God forbid they blame, you know, THE SHOOTER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckbuster View Post
    What a bunch of sensationalist drivel. From what I understand, the rifle malfunctioned from the get go and so the killer used a Beretta pistol instead.
    Yep. Beretta 92 from what I've heard.

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    "A Quebec City spokesperson for Quebec’s provincial police force, Sûreté du Québec, said the SQ would not be releasing details about the rifle used in the attack because it will be evidence in court."


    WTF is that?

    They identified the actual murder weapon but won't identify the rifle that isn't the murder weapon???

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulchaser View Post
    "A Quebec City spokesperson for Quebec’s provincial police force, Sûreté du Québec, said the SQ would not be releasing details about the rifle used in the attack because it will be evidence in court."


    WTF is that?

    They identified the actual murder weapon but won't identify the rifle that isn't the murder weapon???
    Who is in charge of these proceedings?? The Keystone Cops??
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