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    CSSA vs CCFR

    I've searched other threads and didn't find someone discussing this exact question, but the topic seems to come up as a complaint in various discussion.

    I see lots of people saying they support both organizations, but doesn't that enable the continued division among gun advocacy in Canada? Casually looking at the websites of the two, the differences are not immediately obvious. It's not like one is clearly for checkered walnut / hunting / skeet / no-one-needs-a-handgun and the other is for polymer / black guns / 3-gun. I suspect many members of either organization are some mixture of the two.

    Seriously, and respectfully, why can't the two organizations merge and bring together the relative strengths each may have? Perhaps it's differences in philosophy, how much change to push for and how fast, but so what? There are merits to each philosophy and they can learn from each other. Uniting to form a stronger advocacy position should outweigh concerns about the exact approach.
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    That is my feeling as well, and I'm always surprised how few people agree.
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    I have no inside scoop or crystal ball to see what goes on within each organization, but just from having been around humans for a few decades, I can well imagine that egos may sometimes trump commonality of cause.
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    The theory goes, having separate orgs allows each org to concentrate on one thing and do it well.
    Collecting everything into one basket means that one org has to do a little of everything.
    That also means that if one personality implodes, the entire firearms advocacy movement isn't as tarnished.
    This seems to be becoming more important...
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    Everyone points at the USA, and the NRA, as an example of one big org that runs everything and everyone supports, but they too have many organizations with multiple cross supporters. Not everyone thinks the NRA is putting rights first.
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    Apple vs oranges. It is actually quite simple. CSSA exists to fight for your rights. The CFFR exists to educate the public, who largely know zero about our gun control laws, so that they don't support calls for more gun control or gun control that already exists.

    They can't be one org because they are too different. There is no benefit to them being one org. If the CFFR merged into the CSSA would you pay double. If not would they make up the cash shortfall in volume? Doubtful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    The CFFR exists to educate the public
    And to say certain guns should be banned. And to have their board members make death threats online.

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    who largely know zero about our gun control laws, so that they don't support calls for more gun control or gun control that already exists.
    Thats funny, considering the CCFR adamantly supports gun control that already exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sewktbk View Post
    And to say certain guns should be banned. And to have their board members make death threats online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckbuster View Post
    In the words of Gary Larson...What the hey...?
    CCFR suggested in a CBC video interview about the ruger 10/22 magazine ban that perhaps the RCMP should've banned the pistol version of the 10/22 instead of the mags, since less people owned them. (mind you, they also called 25-round magazines "high capacity"). How's that for educating the public?

    The whole minute and a half is worth watching, but skip to 1:07 for the gun ban suggestion.



    More recently, CCFR co-founder Michael Loberg made death threats online because he got sand in his vagina over a meme. Thats right ; a CCFR lawyer who threatens the life of someone over a picture posted on the internet. That is sure to sway public opinion in our favor, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bittereinder View Post
    Seriously, and respectfully, why can't the two organizations merge and bring together the relative strengths each may have? Perhaps it's differences in philosophy, how much change to push for and how fast, but so what? There are merits to each philosophy and they can learn from each other. Uniting to form a stronger advocacy position should outweigh concerns about the exact approach.
    I don't see multiple organisation specialising in different areas as a problem, what I find very unproductive if not destructive is the fact that they don't cooperate and coordinate their efforts... I wish these organisations would set aside their egos and at least have a yearly meeting to strategize.

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