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    Judge rules Quebec gun registry is constitutionally valid, doesn't infringe on federal rules

    http://montrealgazette.com/pmn/news-...6-191cf9b2b68f

    Published on: October 20, 2017 | Last Updated: October 20, 2017 12:37 PM EDT

    MONTREAL — Quebec’s long-gun registry doesn’t infringe on federal jurisdiction, says a judge who has rejected a motion seeking to see it shelved.
    The National Firearms Association, in conjunction with a Quebec-based pro-gun lobby group, had argued in court the province was wading into federal territory when it passed its own long-gun registry law in June 2016.
    The province began plans to establish the log after the Conservatives abolished the federal long-gun registry in 2012.
    Quebec Superior Court Justice Lukasz Granosik ruled Wednesday the province’s registry is constitutionally valid.
    Granosik wrote the Quebec law is essentially about public safety — which is related to provincial jurisdiction on issues of property and civil law as well as the administration of justice.

    “The act aims to make the work of law enforcement safer and the implementation of court orders more effective,” the judge noted.
    The gun lobby, through its lawyers, sought an injunction and full arguments on the matter not long after the law was passed.
    “From our perspective, it seems to us that the Quebec government is attempting to dabble in an area of criminal law,” Sheldon Clare, president of the National Firearms Association, said Friday.
    He said the organization will examine the judgment and consider its appeal options.
    “We have some concerns about the judge’s interpretation,” Clare said. “Clearly, they’ve looked at it as an issue of property instead of firearms and criminal law, which is really what the issue is.”
    As part of the lobby’s case, it provided the court with its own facts and figures about why it believed Quebec’s own provincial long-gun registry was unworkable and costly.
    The province has pegged the start-up cost of the registry at $17 million and an additional $5 million per year to operate.
    Clare said his group wanted to demonstrate to the court that Quebec is headed down the wrong path. It has concerns other provinces will follow suit.
    “Pieces of paper don’t prevent people with ill intent from performing evil acts,” he said.
    “They never have and never will.”
    The judge noted that question was not part of the court’s purview.
    “All these elements, interesting as they are, are not relevant in this case, because it is not up to the tribunal to judge the expediency or the effectiveness of a law,” Granosik wrote.
    Quebec fought a protracted legal battle against Ottawa in a bid to preserve the Quebec data from the federal registry, ultimately losing at the Supreme Court in March 2015 — a case in which Clare’s group was an intervener.
    In June, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale tabled a bill in the Commons that would change the rules and allow the province to look at Quebec information from the old registry if his legislation becomes law. It is currently sealed by a court decision.
    Goodale warned he’s not aware whether the data is still useful given the registry was abolished in 2012.
    The now defunct federal long-gun registry was created by the Liberals in 1998 in response to the murder of 14 women at Montreal’s Ecole polytechnique in 1989. They were targeted by a gunman because of their gender.
    Nathalie Provost, a survivor of the massacre and spokesperson for gun control advocacy group PolySeSouvient, says she’s pleased with the decision.
    “The judgment clearly recognizes the jurisdiction of the government of Quebec to regulate firearms on its territory, which is to allow the authorities to know which weapons are circulating in the province, to whom they belong and where they are located,” she said in a statement.
    “It is obvious to us that such accounting is an integral part of effective gun control — objects that we must remember are designed to kill.”
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    Appointed Liberal judge agrees with the liberal BS agenda. What a surprise!! Nope never saw that coming. Quebec has apparently 25% of the guns in Canada according to the old federal records so according to my math that puts their part in the billion dollar boondoggle at 500 million, so where did 17 million to start it up and 5 to run it come from?

    So when they've wasted their money on this ridiculous never to be accurate endeavor will they come to rest of Canada crying to be subsidized you bet and the worst part is that dead from the neck up idiot will give it to them.

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    “The act aims to make the work of law enforcement safer and the implementation of court orders more effective,” the judge noted.
    Really?
    In what possible way could writing down a serial number save a life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rory McCanuck View Post
    Really?
    In what possible way could writing down a serial number save a life?
    IIRC, at least 2 Quebec police officers have been shot dead as a result of trusting the data in the federal registry that said there were no firearms at the addresses the were responding to.

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    I’m sure this judge had the case pre-judged before the case ever started.

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    Any cop that is going into a potential hostile situation or environment should automatically be prepared for the worst since criminals don't register guns. To think otherwise would be foolhardy and endangering themselves and coworkers.

    Gun registries do nothing other than letting the socialist know what honest people have them. To think a registry saves lives is asinine AKA Liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulchaser View Post
    IIRC, at least 2 Quebec police officers have been shot dead as a result of trusting the data in the federal registry that said there were no firearms at the addresses the were responding to.
    The one I remember was a young female officer who was shot through the door with a .338 Win Mag. As I recall, the registry said the killer had no firearms.

    The antis had a field day with the rifle itself: it was a "jungle" gun meant for shooting elephants, who needs such powerful rifle...etc etc etc...)
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    Their non restricted registry shouldnt have a single gun listed in it because all guns in Quebec are mine and are on loan to my friends there.
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    Judge rules Quebec gun registry is constitutionally valid, doesn't infringe on federal rules

    What it does show, is that federal rules and the constitution have little to nothing to do with individual rights.

    Only when it comes to giving convicted terrorists huge checks.


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