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    Nearly half of Ontario supports a price on carbon, even if it raises costs

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    Nearly half of Ontario supports a price on carbon, even if it raises costs


    OPINION: Ontarians tell Forum Research they are willing to pay the price to combat climate change — and the Tories should be paying attention, writes John Michael McGrath


    While carbon pricing is unpopular among core PC voters, nearly half of undecideds who are leaning blue say they support it.

    ​A new poll from Forum Research shows that crucial Tory-leaning voters — the people the party most needs to reach and to get on board before the June 7 election — are looking for a party that has a credible plan to address climate change.

    The poll, conducted on behalf of Canadians for Clean Prosperity (an organization that looks for market-based solutions to environmental problems), finds that while carbon pricing is distinctly unpopular among core Progressive Conservative voters, nearly half of those who are leaning blue (but are not yet decided) for the next election say they support or strongly support a price on carbon, even if that means higher prices for consumers.

    “It’s been controversial, between cap-and-trade and the carbon tax,” says Lorne Bozinoff, president of Forum Research. “But the public seems pretty on-board with this stuff, but that’s not what you’ve been hearing.”

    Of those same “somewhat likely” Tory voters, 55 per cent say Ontario should be doing more to combat climate change.

    The results are surprising, given the state of the Progressive Conservative leadership race. All four remaining candidates — Doug Ford, Christine Elliott, Caroline Mulroney, and Tanya Granic Allen — have pledged to dismantle the current cap-and-trade system, built by the provincial Liberals, and to oppose any federal carbon tax that the Trudeau government would seek to replace it with.

    The federal budget, unveiled this week, formally set a deadline for the provinces and territories to tell Ottawa whether they’d rather impose their own carbon price or have the feds do it for them (that deadline is March 31, the end of the fiscal year). Ontario, which has already set a price on carbon, is likely to tell Ottawa that it’s got things covered, though the next provincial government could change things. Indeed, the Tories are promising to.

    Bozinoff says that’s a mistake: “It’s easy to say you’re in favour of everything if there’s no cost to it. What’s really critical is so many people who are saying, yes, even if it makes things more expensive, I support a price on carbon.”

    Mark Cameron, executive director of Canadians for Clean Prosperity, says the results of the Forum poll show that while hostility to a carbon price may win a candidate the Tory leadership, it won’t win the PCs a government.

    “That core support, that 34 per cent or so that’s opposed to a carbon tax, is roughly what the Tories keep getting in every election. In the last majority government, they won 45 per cent. This is the difference between winning the 29 seats they always get and forming government,” Cameron says.

    Forum also polled voters as to whether they’d rather maintain the current cap-and-trade system, implement a provincial carbon tax whose proceeds are returned to voters in the form of tax cuts, or have a federal carbon tax imposed. It found that a provincial carbon tax was more popular than the current system in all regions of Ontario, and with supporters of all parties except the OLP (Liberal voters unsurprisingly, if narrowly, prefer the cap-and-trade system).

    “What I found particularly interesting is that solution seemed to appeal across the board, not just Liberals, NDP, and Greens. Even Doug Ford fans thought a revenue-neutral carbon tax was the best option,” says Cameron.

    Forum has also updated its numbers for the provincial election generally. As the research firm has shown for more than a year, the PCs are well ahead of the Liberals and the New Democrats. The implosion of former leader Patrick Brown’s political career hasn’t diminished the party’s prospects: 44 per cent of Ontarians say they’ll support the Tories in the next election, while just 20 per cent say they’ll vote Liberal and 23 per cent NDP.

    The poll reached 1,005 Ontario voters via landline and cellular phones and was conducted from February 22 through 23. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

    Bozinoff says the Tory leadership hopefuls should consider how to gracefully make an about-face if they’re chosen, since the desires of the electorate are so different from those of the PC party’s membership. “It’s conservative party activists voting in this race,” he says, “so they may not reflect the province generally.”

    He adds that the numbers aren’t just instructive for the Tories — climate-minded voters also present the Liberals with a chance to revive their flagging fortunes: “I don’t know how many of them are going to be single-issue voters, but I’m going to predict this will be a point of distinction during the campaign, because Liberal support for this is huge.”

    But Ontarians’ endorsement of carbon pricing could leave the Tories with a mess to clean up once the passions of the PC leadership race have cooled.

    “They have to remember they’re speaking to a broader audience. They’re speaking to all Ontarians, and in particular they’re speaking to swing voters,” says Cameron. “It’s going to be hard for them to reverse their position again, in the short term, but whoever wins has to realize those voters want a government that will take action on climate change.”

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    Not buying this.


    Allow our Rightful Liberty or .....

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    "Nearly half" that says it all, propaganda piece. If "nearly half" support it; the "over half" majority probably oppose it. Fun with words. "Nearly half" the population has a below average IQ too and they vote LIEberal.

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    So......Toronto.....
    Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.

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    They shouldn't be worried about carbon and pollution and all that hype.

    Wynne has already fixed all that. At the current rate of taxes, utility costs, social engineering, minimum wage increases, etc. any corporations that pollute will have moved to the states before it will do any damage.

    It's the same as the old safety slogan, "nobody moves, nobody gets hurt"

    New Ontario green policy.

    "If nobody works, the carbon balances itself"
    Madness is like gravity, all it takes is a little push

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    So nearly half of people don’t realize how much it would actually cost them.

    Just got my latest utility bill here in AB. About 50% more than last year, even though only $25 actually accounted for as carbon tax. Gas and electric useage very comparable, but all the other fees have gone up quite a bit. Utility companies will still make money - taxes passed on to folks like you and me.

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    I call BS

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    So let me get this straight. Nearly half of Ontarions (or is it Ontarians?) believe we can control the earth's temperature like a thermostat but implementing a tax that will likely go to servicing debt and general revenue regardless of what politicians claim? I propose the tax be voluntary.
    Our freedoms ARE the greater good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    So let me get this straight. Nearly half of Ontarions (or is it Ontarians?) believe we can control the earth's temperature like a thermostat but implementing a tax that will likely go to servicing debt and general revenue regardless of what politicians claim? I propose the tax be voluntary.
    And then you will see how much they REALLY want a tax.

    Like many have said before in other threads, Liebrals are all for more tax, as long as someone else is paying it.
    Madness is like gravity, all it takes is a little push

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run 'n' Gun View Post
    Like many have said before in other threads, Liebrals are all for more tax, as long as someone else is paying it.
    And filling their little piggy pockets.

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