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    Win? Lose? Draw?

    This thread should not be necessary, but...

    It seems that some have strange ideas where firearms legislation is concerned.

    Let’s be clear.

    When new legislation, containing more restrictions on the innocent, is passed.

    - Loss

    When new legislation, containing more restrictions on the innocent, is stopped.

    - Draw

    When new legislation, repealing restrictions on the innocent, is passed.

    - Win
    Gun Control is about making it unlawful for you to use, carry, or possess a firearm.

    All restrictions/prohibitions on the use, carriage, or possession of firearms must be repealed.

    Middle ground?

    What middle ground?

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    We never win, draws are very rare.


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    It is a loss when innocents get punished for what gangs and criminals do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterloomike View Post
    We never win, draws are very rare.
    The repeal of the LGR was definitely a win. Just think of all the non-restricted SA and CZ's that can quietly "survive" this government in a state of non-compliance because that registry is gone.
    It is baffling why a government so acutely aware of inter-generational fairness when it comes to global warming, is so ill-disposed toward the idea when it comes to fiscal discipline. -John Ivison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterloomike View Post
    We never win, draws are very rare.
    C-19, which ended the nonrestricted registry, was a win.

    And not so much because it ended registration, owners are registered by licencing.

    It was a win because the restriction requiring permission to complete a transfer ended.

    C-71 not only brings that back, it pushes some $15,000,000 worth of hunting and target rifles into the abyss.

    And it extends the plausible deniability, of confiscation without compensation, by appeasing the dim witted into believing they are blessed by being “grandfathered.”

    I was blessed each time a grandchild was born.

    “Grandfathering” is not even in the same universe!
    Gun Control is about making it unlawful for you to use, carry, or possess a firearm.

    All restrictions/prohibitions on the use, carriage, or possession of firearms must be repealed.

    Middle ground?

    What middle ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW .45 View Post
    And it extends the plausible deniability, of confiscation without compensation, by appeasing the dim witted into believing they are blessed by being “grandfathered.”
    Yeah I just don't get that. Some seem to think it is a "badge of honour". It is simply confiscation without compensation by the government. Nothing more, nothing less. And an outrage to all Canadians.
    It is baffling why a government so acutely aware of inter-generational fairness when it comes to global warming, is so ill-disposed toward the idea when it comes to fiscal discipline. -John Ivison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    Yeah I just don't get that. Some seem to think it is a "badge of honour". It is simply confiscation without compensation by the government. Nothing more, nothing less. And an outrage to all Canadians.
    I take some smug joy in the fact that when they go to sell their registered paperweight, the only people who can buy it are others who already own one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enfield93 View Post
    It is a loss when innocents get punished for what gangs and criminals do.
    It is indeed.

    However, if that were the reason for C-71, we could defeat it quite handily.

    It is not.

    We, as a nation, stand at the very edge of a precipice.

    History shows that rape, murder, indeed genocide are likely at the bottom.

    Disarmament will push us over.

    And where are we in the fool’s rush to disarmament?

    A great many of our firearms have been dumped into the abyss of prohibition.

    Huge numbers have been pushed to the edge of the abyss by restriction on use, carriage, and possession.

    The remainder, the not yet restricted, are being loaded onto the transports as you read.

    It isn’t about gangs or criminals.

    It is simply about disarming you.

    And that means denying you lawful access to weapons.

    Keep your weapons if you wish, they don’t care.

    You become a criminal, and they will deal with you if and when it pleases them.
    Gun Control is about making it unlawful for you to use, carry, or possess a firearm.

    All restrictions/prohibitions on the use, carriage, or possession of firearms must be repealed.

    Middle ground?

    What middle ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW .45 View Post
    C-19, which ended the nonrestricted registry, was a win.

    And not so much because it ended registration, owners are registered by licencing.

    It was a win because the restriction requiring permission to complete a transfer ended.

    C-71 not only brings that back, it pushes some $15,000,000 worth of hunting and target rifles into the abyss.

    And it extends the plausible deniability, of confiscation without compensation, by appeasing the dim witted into believing they are blessed by being “grandfathered.”

    I was blessed each time a grandchild was born.

    “Grandfathering” is not even in the same universe!
    It would have been much more of a "win" if ownership was decriminalized.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW .45 View Post
    It isn’t about gangs or criminals.

    It is simply about disarming you.
    That's right. The Firearms Act, created from bill C-68, was intended to reduce firearms ownership to the eventual point of zero. There are prominent Liberals of the time stating as such (RB, where's that quote from the woman [MP, Lib Senator?] who stated complete disarmament was the goal?).

    If this current Liberal government is to be believed that they are NOT following that original purpose of the Firearms Act then they would not be removing the part the CPC added allowing a government to OIC "downwards" from prohibited and restricted to non-restricted. The fact they are removing that is ALL one needs to know about their long term goal. It is complete civil disarmament in x many generations (what are we down to now, one), and if you don't believe that you are a fool.
    It is baffling why a government so acutely aware of inter-generational fairness when it comes to global warming, is so ill-disposed toward the idea when it comes to fiscal discipline. -John Ivison

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