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    Meme fight! - Infographic/Meme Repository

    A little side project from OCV. Ever see or hear anti's saying firearm homicides went down after gun control legislation? Well we know better! In recent weeks we've been slandered by some in the MSM and alt-left media as "Canada's NRA" or simply "the gun lobby" as if we are evil and are trying to fool the public. The opposite is true. The anti's claims are false. Anyway, I got busy with the stats and a photo editor and came up with this for people to use in rebuttals or whatever on social media.



    Some points for the inevitable comments:
    - firearm-related homicide was falling rapidly years before Firearms Acquisition Certificates were introduced
    - if someone points out the rate of reduction increased after C-68 you can point out firearms-related homicides increased after licensing and the long gun registry were introduced and it fell after the LGR was repealed
    - note that the most recent uptick looks like it is almost exclusively linked to gangs
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    This one is NOT mine. Amazing work by someone called "Koala Tea Canadian Gun Policy Literacy".

    From his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/canadiangun...45139546223952



    I created this infographic for a letter I sent out to MPs who voted for C-71 on its Second Reading in the House, in an attempt to show them how mis-focused the bill is and to provide context as to the unaddressed area of need for legislative attention.
    I thought I'd make it available here for others to use in crafting their own letters, faxes or emails if interested.
    My intent was to provide a graphical portrayal of the context of shooting homicides against the overall background of violent crime, particularly the part that licensed gun owners would have played in that. It starts in the first two bar graphs with an overall 2016 look at Violent Crime in Canada. These data derive from the following two tables:
    Crimes, by type of violation, and by province and territory ( https://bit.ly/2qTUSRk )
    Table 6: Police-reported crime for selected offences, Canada, 2015 and 2016 ( https://bit.ly/2F7ZCrP )
    From there, the look tightens in on homicides, broken down by method. The data in the third bar graph derive from:
    Homicides by method ( https://bit.ly/2JfDNcb )
    From this point forward though, the available data become curiously sparse and you're forced to read closely, at times between the lines. The information's kinda-sorta there, but not in an easily-used format. In the section titled 'Increase in gang‑related homicides in 2016' on the page linked below, there's a notation that 141 gang-related homicides occurred in 2016. For the fourth bar graph, the simple math 223-141=82 is being made.
    Homicide in Canada, 2016 ( https://bit.ly/2vAInQv )
    For the final bar graph, a fair bit more interpretation is required. The RCMP does not actually record or report the firearm licensure status of gun homicide convicts. They do, however, report how many revocations occurred, and for what reasons. At the page linked below, Table 9 provides the the total # of firearms revocations per year, and in Table 10 the reasons for revocations in 2016. The figure for ‘Violent behaviour’ in Table 10 - 92, divided by the total number of 2106 revocations in Table 9 - 2223 , gives a rate of 4.1%. This, applied to the ‘non-gang-related’ figure of 82 from the fourth bar graph gives a value 3.36, which I simply rounded up to 4 to represent the number of gang unrelated Canadians who committed murder with a firearm in 2016 using a firearm licensed to them. The remaining statistic - unlicensed gun murderers - is simply 82-4=78.
    2016 Commissioner of Firearms report ( https://bit.ly/2HE10rD )
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    Here's a link to the graph pictured below: https://tinyurl.com/y9jozky8
    And, in case a clean copy might be desired, here's a link to a copy without the notations and markups: https://tinyurl.com/ycgokxxr
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    Now, the astute reader will of course pick up on the assumptions I'm making here as I went through my interpolating, extrapolating, and reading between the lines. So, in the interest of disclosure I go through these below.
    First, there's no breakdown of the figure of 141 gang-related homicides as to type. My assumption therefore is a worst-case that 100% of homicides by gangs in 2016 were committed by gun, but the reality is of course that stabbings, beatings, strangulations and other modalities likely figure in there. But, my thought was, there's little harm going with an upper-bound approach, knowing that the reality is probably somewhat less. Better to be overstate, was my thinking, rather than be called out on understating.
    Second, the 'Homicides by method' table provides data where a firearm was present at the scene. It may not necessarily have been the actual instrument of death, this statistic simply reports that it was present. So again, the true figures are probably somewhere south of this, but it's what we've got to work with. Again, no value in understating, so going with an upper-bound presentation is reasonable.
    Third, the 'Violent behaviour' figure of 92 in Table 10 of the 2016 Commissioner of Firearms report likely isn't *all* homicides. I had no way of eyeballing that so, again, the assumption is worst-case and upper-bound.
    Fourth, I'm not clear if your PAL is revoked when you’re charged then restored when you’re acquitted, or if it's suspended when charged and fully revoked on conviction. So again I assumed the worst case here - revocation on charge - in my calculations.
    Fifth (last one, I promise), I'm clearly making the assumption that that there are no common elements between ‘gang members committing homicides’ and ‘licensed gun owners’. Probably reasonable, but it’s still an assumption that I felt I should report.
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    Here is an updated version that fits FB and Twitter posts much better.

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    Same in black and white, for snail mail letters, and SECU briefs (SECU requires black-and-white).


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    This is epic work!
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    Got in contact with the author of the original and he made this shorter version for social media sharing:



    The above downloadable: https://bit.ly/2If1iWd

    and the full version downloadable: https://bit.ly/2FO5Nl7

    and his FB page. He's got lots more and adding more all the time: https://www.facebook.com/canadiangunpolicyliteracy/
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    The last diagram is pretty, but the two red bits are wrong.
    And the n=141 data point is wrong because he's assuming shootings are 100% of gang homicide, which was ok at the time but this new graph was done after doug_m had the data in the "gang vs non-gang" graph and spreadsheet that I gave him and he should be using that instead.

    re "Bill C-71 is targeted here"
    It might affect PALers only, but it will have no effect whatsoever at that point.
    Goodale is asserting that Gang shootings, i.e. the n=141 part, are getting their guns from PALers, and he's trying to reduce gang shootings by reducing the number of guns they get. It won't work, but Bill C-71's target is the n=141 part via PALers.

    re "The legislation Canada needs should be focused here"
    That's wrong because we should be targeting homicide by all methods, not just homicide by shooting.
    Targeting homicide by shooting is the fundamental mistake that's caused law abiding gun owners all the pain since 1990. You don't reduce homicide or suicide by targeting the guns, or some features of some guns. It's utterly futile to try that.

    His estimate technique for the number of PALers is interesting but not good. But, miraculously came up with the correct result. There should be about 12 PALers accused of homicide per year (Gary Mauser via Statcan Special Request), and half of those will use their firearm and the other half will use other methods; which works out to 6 per year. Which is pretty much bang on the 4 per year he came up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    Graph 1
    The data in the upper six lines is out of wack with the Long Gun homicide by about a factor of 2.
    The rates in Graph 1 are ~0.05

    If you compare the long gun homicide in my graph, against
    you'll see that this graph has about twice the rate that mine does, and they're not quite the same shape (peaks in different places). They do have approximately the same trend though.
    The rates in Graph 2 are ~0.15

    But even the rates shown in Graph 2 are lower than the numbers in this
    https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002.../tbl05-eng.htm
    The rates in this table are ~0.3

    I spent hours considering that, and elected to keep my data because it was from the Causes Of Death reports,
    whereas I'm beginning to suspect that Graph 2's data is "most serious weapon present" rather than "murder weapon". Note that the title is "firearms-related homicide" does not mean "murder weapon". In addition to the "most serious weapon present" possibility, it also might include crimes where someone killed with their bare hands and later committed suicide with a firearm.

    Since the three sets of data are wildly at odds with each other, and all come from StatsCan, I elected that my habit of including the source of the data on the graph, and that it was the only set of data that clearly meant murder weapon, was the correct thing to do. But it might be a garbage in garbage out thing, and I wouldn't know without looking at the individual homicide reports by police, which I can't do. I remain concerned that comparing that long gun line on Graph 1, against the shooting line on Graph 1, is probably not a fair comparison.


    And the PALers accused of homicide might be low in the sense they may have committed multiple homicides, which would raise that line.
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    Donít over think it RB. That one is meant for the non-technical non-informed non-gun owning crowd to visually see and easily understand that C-71 has nothing to do with preventing the upswing in ďgun homicidesĒ Goodale claims it does. Itís not meant for you or Langmann or Mauser (or even Cukier) lol.

    As for refining his data, get on Facebook and get in contact with him via Facebook messenger. I donít believe youíre on FB so just create an account for this purpose. Collaboration is important and I canít be a go between. Especially today. Today is vegetate day lol.


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    "The USA doesn't have a gun problem. They have a gang problem."
    -- Rod Giltaca

    90% of gun homicides in the USA are gang related.



    Canada is getting a gang problem.


    My fear is that now is the time to do something about that, before it gets entrenched like the USA, and we end up with stats like the USA.
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