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    If you sell the SG, buy a flying v. Or a firebird. Or an explorer.
    Dont get a prs.
    Keep an icon.
    Why does the rest of the country get first dibbs on half my income?

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    Here she is. Couldn’t get a shot without a reflection.

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    Sometimes it can suck being in little old Nova Scotia. Went to L&M to try a PRS, they don’t have any. Had them look on their computer and there is one, yes one, in Halifax. And they’re the sole dealer for PRS in Nova Scotia!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    It's definitely a prehistoric. I'm nearly prehistoric and I bought it new so... In seriousness it's an '88 which is prehistoric. If the sun cooperates tomorrow afternoon I can try to produce some guitar porn. And if I do sell it, it won't be until the Spring so you'll have time to save up!
    I am not working right now and all the spending money I have left is going to gun stuff. The rest is being saved. I lost my job while on medical leave because I couldn't return at the time. Now I am studying and I am not yet at the point I can both work and study with my IBS. So I can't buy your guitar (unless I sold the SG I just bought).

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    Definitely, I wouldn't just buy a PRS off the rack without trying it. I live in a rural area but there is a Long and McQuade 30 minutes away. So over the next few months I'll try to get there and check it out a few times to make sure I actually like it and aren't just drooling over photos online lol. Speaking of which, the custom 22 (double-cutaway) is starting to speak to me now. Damn guitars! They're like guns.
    Yeah and make sure you play a bunch of them. You might pick up 1 that's a lemon, 5 that are ok and 1 that is the best you've ever heard.

    They really are like guns (you can't have just one) haha, and just as expensive if not more. Why did I have to pick such expensive hobbies?

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    Yup, that sounds like it. When I sold that all I had was a shitty little Fender practice amp. Sold that too and had nothing for a while then bought another not quite as shitty but still shitty Fender practice amp. Gave that to my son lol, and I bought a like new Fender Mustang I v2 modeling amp for $80. It was a steal at that price. So far I'm pretty happy with it. The owner sold it because he wanted a 12" (think he bought the Mustang II) and I can see myself upgrading to a 1x12 down the road too.
    Those JCM800's are great amps but way too loud if all you're doing is playing at home. Do you prefer the British tones Or American tones? There are so many low wattage amps in the 1-20 watt range that are great for practice at home, and you can find them cheap if you don't mind them being made in China or in Vietnam, but lots of USA or UK made ones as well. Honestly I personally feel a 1 watt (with a .1watt switch) is perfect for home practice, and wouldn't go over 5 watts. If you're jamming with a drummer you'll probably need at least 15 or 20 watts though.

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    just not an option.
    Fair enough. Just thought I'd ask. not everyone knows you can finance a guitar (though some will advise against it).

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    Well it'll come down to how I feel once I actually try out a PRS. It'll either be "hell yeah" or "hmm, think I'll keep the SG".
    Yeah you will know when you play them.

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    Yeah. There is a big difference between 15-20 years ago and today when it comes to the availability of info. In other words the Internet. Since the guitar bug has hit me again I've been doing a lot of reading, watching videos online etc and yeah the quality isn't there from what I gather. Or you have to pay an exorbitant amount for it. Still, I don't think an 80's reissue is going to get the same valuation as a 50's or 60's original. They might in fact be at the sweet spot in value right now. But the bug is there and I have to go down this road at least as far as testing the waters with the PRS. Who knows, I may just be a sinner after all...
    Well I wasn't thinking quality. The quality is still there. Sure every manufacturer has let something slip, and some have gone through some rough patches, but overall they are still high quality instruments, particularly the custom shop guitars, and with modern CNC it should only aid in quality. And Gibson is now building their Reissues closer than ever to the originals with some of the changes they've made in recent years like rolled binding, hide glue, condom-less truss rod, neck profile, and aniline dyes. I was more thinking of the fact that they just aren't able to build them like they used to because they can't get the same calibre of wood. Sure they still use Swietenia macrophylla (Honduran Mahogany), but the guitars of the 50's and 60's were all built with old growth mahogany, which a lot of people say contributed greatly to the sound of those instruments (of course the age of the guitar itself may or may not affect the sound). The guitars that they build nowadays aren't old growth. There's just none of it left. The stuff they use now is from plantations with trees maybe 40 or 50 years old. There is a huge demand for it and trees take a long time to grow so it means the wood won't be as old. I believe Gibson is getting their Swietenia macrophylla from Fiji. And their is also no more Brazilian Rosewood as that is on CITES apendix III.

    Don't get me wrong though, Gibson and others are still putting out some great guitars.

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    Here she is. Couldn’t get a shot without a reflection.

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    That is beautiful! Deserves to be posted on the EverythingSG.com Forum. I bet she sounds killer!

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    Sometimes it can suck being in little old Nova Scotia. Went to L&M to try a PRS, they don’t have any. Had them look on their computer and there is one, yes one, in Halifax. And they’re the sole dealer for PRS in Nova Scotia!
    It is a sign you should keep your SG. Seriously that thing is gorgeous, and looks more like a custom shop SG than it does a USA SG. If you sell that guitar it will be the one that got away! YOU WILL REGRET IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve MKII View Post
    I am not working right now and all the spending money I have left is going to gun stuff. The rest is being saved. I lost my job while on medical leave because I couldn't return at the time. Now I am studying and I am not yet at the point I can both work and study with my IBS. So I can't buy your guitar (unless I sold the SG I just bought).
    I feel you pain brother (though only occasionally lol).

    Those JCM800's are great amps but way too loud if all you're doing is playing at home. Do you prefer the British tones Or American tones?
    Brit 80's. It's what I "grew up" on. I like all kinds of tones but if I could only choose one it'd be that. I'm digging this modelling amp. It has a Brit 80's setting that is pretty good. Not Marshall good lol, but good for a practice amp. I don't think I got my Marshall's master volume past 3 too often lol. Certainly not in my apartment at the time. I was able to take it to a few places and crank it a bit. If I were a farmer I'd get another one, and the cows wouldn't get much sleep!

    Fair enough. Just thought I'd ask. not everyone knows you can finance a guitar (though some will advise against it).
    I financed the SG. If I recall I paid the taxes as the down payment then approximately $50 a month for two years. It was a lot for me back then but I always made sure I had that payment made.

    Well I wasn't thinking quality. The quality is still there. Sure every manufacturer has let something slip, and some have gone through some rough patches, but overall they are still high quality instruments, particularly the custom shop guitars, and with modern CNC it should only aid in quality. And Gibson is now building their Reissues closer than ever to the originals with some of the changes they've made in recent years like rolled binding, hide glue, condom-less truss rod, neck profile, and aniline dyes. I was more thinking of the fact that they just aren't able to build them like they used to because they can't get the same calibre of wood. Sure they still use Swietenia macrophylla (Honduran Mahogany), but the guitars of the 50's and 60's were all built with old growth mahogany, which a lot of people say contributed greatly to the sound of those instruments (of course the age of the guitar itself may or may not affect the sound). The guitars that they build nowadays aren't old growth. There's just none of it left. The stuff they use now is from plantations with trees maybe 40 or 50 years old. There is a huge demand for it and trees take a long time to grow so it means the wood won't be as old. I believe Gibson is getting their Swietenia macrophylla from Fiji. And their is also no more Brazilian Rosewood as that is on CITES apendix III.

    Don't get me wrong though, Gibson and others are still putting out some great guitars.
    Been hearing on the net that Gibson quality is down. Not the customs as you say, but everything else. Also Fender. Seems they've learned they can pawn off the cheaper metals and components and Joe Average doesn't notice. Don't know how much truth there is to that, but it is all over the net. What you're saying about the wood makes sense. I can't see the number of wood lots that are dedicated to exotic woods for things like guitars growing in number. If anything I imagine they are shrinking. That's pure guessing on my part, but how many people are willing to invest in a new or expanded wood lot that won't see a return for several decades?

    I bet she sounds killer!
    Especially through that Marshall I had!

    It is a sign you should keep your SG. Seriously that thing is gorgeous, and looks more like a custom shop SG than it does a USA SG. If you sell that guitar it will be the one that got away! YOU WILL REGRET IT!
    I picked up a Gibson "Vintage Reissue Restoration Kit" at L&M's today. It is for nitro finishes. Whether I sell or keep her she's going to get treated right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    I feel you pain brother (though only occasionally lol).
    It is no fun being broke all the time or not feeling independent. I am hoping to find something just a couple days a week for 3 or 4 hours so I at least have a bit of money to buy things for guitar, guns or generalities. I need a new laptop soon...

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    Brit 80's. It's what I "grew up" on. I like all kinds of tones but if I could only choose one it'd be that. I'm digging this modelling amp. It has a Brit 80's setting that is pretty good. Not Marshall good lol, but good for a practice amp. I don't think I got my Marshall's master volume past 3 too often lol. Certainly not in my apartment at the time. I was able to take it to a few places and crank it a bit. If I were a farmer I'd get another one, and the cows wouldn't get much sleep!
    Hmm... Marshall just released some new amps at NAMM. The Studio (UK made) line, basically 20 watt versions of the JCM800 and JMP amps. They were falling behind for a few years but have finally started to put out a number of low watt amps. Some good options and they have both UK made ones and more affordable Vietnam ones. Lots of options. Unfortunately some of them are 1x10's and even a couple 1x8's , at least their is an option for a head. You would probably like my SL-5, sort of like a hotrodded JCM800. Easily goes from AC/DC to Guns N' Roses tonesslash.gif.

    I am a big Marshall fan and most if not all of my heroes played them so I gravitate towards them, but there are SO many low watt amps out there now at all price ranges it won't be hard to find something when the time comes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    I financed the SG. If I recall I paid the taxes as the down payment then approximately $50 a month for two years. It was a lot for me back then but I always made sure I had that payment made.
    Probably helped your credit a fair bit too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    Been hearing on the net that Gibson quality is down. Not the customs as you say, but everything else. Also Fender. Seems they've learned they can pawn off the cheaper metals and components and Joe Average doesn't notice. Don't know how much truth there is to that, but it is all over the net. What you're saying about the wood makes sense. I can't see the number of wood lots that are dedicated to exotic woods for things like guitars growing in number. If anything I imagine they are shrinking. That's pure guessing on my part, but how many people are willing to invest in a new or expanded wood lot that won't see a return for several decades?
    Do you follow forums like MLP/LPF/ETSG/Gibson forums? That "quality is down" thing was going on a number of years ago when I joined and you'll get varying opinions on it. I think there was a bit of a downturn in quality for a while but I'm not sure whether that is still the case, I haven't been following the guitar forums for a while and haven't bought any new guitars. Gibson was not doing so good for a while there as Henry J. almost ran it into the ground, but hes no longer in charge (thankfully). You have to give him credit for saving Gibson in the 80's but if he had stayed the company would not survive. But if you get to try the guitar before you buy it or buy from a place that posts detailed pics of each guitar you can avoid any potential quality issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    Especially through that Marshall I had!
    Sounds like you're going to need another Marshall...shred2.gif

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    I picked up a Gibson "Vintage Reissue Restoration Kit" at L&M's today. It is for nitro finishes. Whether I sell or keep her she's going to get treated right!
    thumb.gif Gotta take care of her. When I bought my SG it needed some TLC. The previous owner was selling it because he never played it (has like 20 guitars) and wanted it to get a good home. He was sad to see it go, it really is a great sounding guitar. I spent about an hour cleaning the crud off the fretboard with some fretboard conditioner and a cloth. The body needs some nitro polish as well, as it looks a bit dirty. She is getting the care she needs!

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    A Marshall SC20C would be cool. A Marshall tube amp that can be switched from 20w down to 5w, sweet! But I won't be upgrading amps any time soon. Good thing we humans live a long time!

    I don't follow any of the guitar forums (yet). I'm just getting back into it after that 15 year break and so far that's mostly been YouTube (Phil McKnight and Darrell Braun Guitar, then just random stuff that comes up). I take any and everything with a grain of salt and personal experience counts the most of course. Which is why I would never put serious money out for a guitar without trying it first. "Back in the day" all we had were magazines. I picked up a Guitar World the other day. Nice to see it is still around. Though the number of gear ads was significantly lower than I remember.

    Has Gibson fully recovered from their financial woes then? They had applied for bankruptcy protection or some such because of mounting debt (bonds?) they couldn't pay. I'd hate to see them fold or get bought out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    What you're saying about the wood makes sense. I can't see the number of wood lots that are dedicated to exotic woods for things like guitars growing in number. If anything I imagine they are shrinking. That's pure guessing on my part, but how many people are willing to invest in a new or expanded wood lot that won't see a return for several decades?
    I think now things are fairly sustainable. Go back 15-30 years and maybe not so much. Some of these manufacturers invest a fair bit in sustainable sources of tonewood. I think they know that if they don't they are going to go under. Gibson is marking it's 125th anniversary this year and if they want to be around another 125 years they need to ensure a sustainable supply. Of course the supply will be much younger wood, the amount of old growth is shrinking and there won't be much more for another 500 years.

    A good example is what Bob Taylor did. He bought an ebony sawmill in Africa and supposedly bought the logging rights to the rest of the worlds supply of ebony (I don't know if this is true as I don't have a source but he did at least buy a bunch of it). Ebony trees aren't always black inside and they don't know till they cut them down. If it wasn't black it was getting thrown away. Bob recognized the situation and bought everything up and now uses ebony regardless of if there are some white spots. There are some YouTube videos about it. So I think with efforts like this there will be a sustainable supply for a long time to come. And the best part.... It proves that the private industry can do a better job of protecting the environment than the government can.

    Here's a brief overview. https://www.taylorguitars.com/about/sustainable-ebony

    Here is some more in depth info about the project. https://www.taylorguitars.com/ebonyproject/



    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    A Marshall SC20C would be cool. A Marshall tube amp that can be switched from 20w down to 5w, sweet! But I won't be upgrading amps any time soon. Good thing we humans live a long time!
    Yeah they look like pretty sweet amps. The Mini Jubilee combo is probably right up your alley too or maybe a used SL-5. I don't know why they used a pentode/triode power reduction instead of their new valve stem technology. The valve stem is supposed to be much better. Personally though I wouldn't buy a 20w amp just for practice, that's a gigging/jamming amp. Practice amps 5 watts max for me. If I bought another practice map it would be the DSL1HR 1 watt head. play it at .1 watt and it'll still be plenty loud. But some people like to jam at home with a 100W amp so its all personal preference.

    The nice thing is that there are options in various price ranges so a person doesn't have to break the bank to get a good amp but you can still buy a UK made amp if you have the dough. So you might be able to upgrade sooner than you think, especially if you buy used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    I don't follow any of the guitar forums (yet). I'm just getting back into it after that 15 year break and so far that's mostly been YouTube (Phil McKnight and Darrell Braun Guitar, then just random stuff that comes up). I take any and everything with a grain of salt and personal experience counts the most of course. Which is why I would never put serious money out for a guitar without trying it first. "Back in the day" all we had were magazines. I picked up a Guitar World the other day. Nice to see it is still around. Though the number of gear ads was significantly lower than I remember.

    Has Gibson fully recovered from their financial woes then? They had applied for bankruptcy protection or some such because of mounting debt (bonds?) they couldn't pay. I'd hate to see them fold or get bought out.
    I think some of the quality thing is justified but some of it is probably "well i heard they had quality issues" or "well I looked at the guitars a few years ago and they had quality issues", then the belief that they are having QC issues gets ingrained in peoples minds even if it was a while ago, and things spread like wildfire on the internet. I haven't checked in for a while though so I can't say for certain what's going on over at those forums.

    Yes Gibson has secured funding. Henry changed Gibson from "Gibson Guitar Corp" to "Gibson Brands" and started investing in a bunch of really stupid stuff that never made any money and put them in a lot of debt. James Curleigh is the new CEO. He was previously president of Levi Strauss jeans. This was a red flag for me after the whole push by Levi's for gun control, but I did a search and it seems he left around the time Levi's made that gun control announcement and his name did not pop up at all when I did a search. So it seems he had nothing to do with that and we can rest easy that Gibson's new CEO isn't pushing for gun control.

    The guys at L&M said that Henry is staying on as a consultant or something but won't have any power.

    Here's the press release https://www.gibson.com/News/Gibson-B...s-Release-2018

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    Looks like Long & McQuade is having a blowout sale on Friday and Saturday...

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    I used to own a full recording studio in my home.....guitars and amps, monitors and rack gear everywhere with a nice DAW. My ex-wife dragged me into bankruptcy and I had to sell off everything. I always said "I can always buy it again." Thats a lie. Once it's gone, it's gone. You can get rid of a lot of stuff no problem but you should always keep ONE guitar. I don't play seriously anymore. No more bands....no more studio. But I like having one guitar in the corner that I can pick up and strum while watching tv whenever the feeling comes over me.

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