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    Go Canucks Go! lone-wolf's Avatar
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    Just a side note, Dr Langmann is very worth following on the facebook if you do that thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    Yes, Door Number 2.

    I have similar thoughts about federal Finance Minister's Bill Morneau's budget reasoning.
    You know, I actually thought they had learned from their mistakes and they were doing the first one. I forgot that they never trust anything not under their direct control.

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    "...recommended Bill C-71 be amended to contain an appeal process for RCMP firearm classifications and reclassifications..." Idiot! The RCMP should have no authority to classify anything or make law by regulation. They're unelected civil servants. So are "the Minister’s policy staff". And so are the Senators arguing about things they have already been told how to vote about.
    "...Gun selling business. Do you keep records of your sales..." Stupid question. Equally stupid answer from Winkel. All business' keep records of their sales. It's how a business owner knows what he has sold when it comes time to order more and pay Provincial taxes.
    Bureaucratic busywork is what most unelected civil servants do. 42,152 of 'em are employed to administer the collection of taxes alone. 67 to deal with complaints about the RCMP.
    "...ability to trace firearms used by people with bad intentions..." Operative words here are "trace firearms". How would that do anything? Having bad intentions is not a crime. Happens in bars every night. Police can't manage to trace the people with bad intentions. Typical nonsense prattled by people who know nothing about firearms or the criminal use of firearms.

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    Do you keep records of your sales..." Stupid question

    Not really, Keeping records for Business and as per Bill C-71 is not the same thing. What they want is permanent record keeping, not the standard 6 yrs for Business. They want a Registry to be maintained by businesses. What happens when the Business goes out of business and closes down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam X View Post
    What happens when the Business goes out of business and closes down?
    The law says the business has to give its records to the CFO.

    I assumed that regulations would be made so that all businesses would keep similar records, so the CFO could use the same way to computerize them.
    But, it looks like the government never considered how the data would be stored, and that businesses would just keep doing what they're doing -- the poor CFO is going to need more budget and staff to transcribe who knows what piles of junk come their way, particularly if the business changes record keeping systems every year for 20 years.

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    Considering how the businesses I buy guns from these days keep records - yeah, they absolutely do, but good luck computerizing that. If that's what is going to pass for the official standard, we are safe from them ever getting an organized database.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    The law says the business has to give its records to the CFO.

    I assumed that regulations would be made so that all businesses would keep similar records, so the CFO could use the same way to computerize them.
    But, it looks like the government never considered how the data would be stored, and that businesses would just keep doing what they're doing -- the poor CFO is going to need more budget and staff to transcribe who knows what piles of junk come their way, particularly if the business changes record keeping systems every year for 20 years.




    Is that perhaps our Trojan horse in this whole C-71 ordeal? Provide them with mountains of records they will never get to before the average owner reaches their death?

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    c71 dead in the water

    some what like the HMCS SUNNY WAYS

    lost with all hands LOL

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