Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 16

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Senior Member Battle Beaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Southern Ontario
    Posts
    565

    Need advice on some long range stuff

    I've had a Remington 700 5r .308 for a few years now (stainless heavy barrel, not threaded) with a Leupold Mark 4 L/RT 8.5-25x50 (Second Focal Plane, standard mil-dot reticle), a Timney trigger, and an Atlas Bipod. (all these will end up on WTS in the next month or two)

    It's been a good shooter out to 300 meters (haven't found any range near me that goes beyond 300m).

    I recently purchased a Remington 700 PCR in 6.5 Creedmoore, and I'm getting a new scope for it.

    https://www.remington.com/rifles/bol.../model-700-pcr

    It's got a Magpul stock, but strangely, it has a "SquareDrop" handguard (compatible with KeyMod), not an M-Lok, which is odd because the rest of the furniture is MagPul.

    I'm not looking to debate my rifle choice Rem vs. Savage vs. Tikka etc, already made my choice.

    As for a scope, I'm looking at the Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27x56 currently. They are FFP (First Focal Plane), which is what I want, and a choice of MOA or mrad reticle, I'm leaning toward mrad. The Vortex is around $3,500. At that price, would I be better off with an equivalent NightForce of S&B?

    Huh, I just read Jerry's (Mystic Precision) review of this scope from 2016. Starts out as a great review, but goes downhill near the end when he was testing the windage turrets and the image "tanked". Not sure if he got a bum scope from the factory, or is this still an issue?

    The PCR has the X-Mark II trigger, but I'll likely upgrade that to a TriggerTech Diamond at some point. I'm confused a little that it doesn't come with a Bolt Release, does that mean I'll use the stock bolt release with it?

    I'd also like to get a new Bipod, and have been looking at getting the Warne Skyline Precision Bipod at some point.

    https://warnescopemounts.com/product...ecision-bipod/

    Are they any other suggestions for a bipod in the $400 range?

    As for mounting the scope, are standard rings better/worse than a cantilever mount? Does one have more advantages over the other?

    And something else I'd like to get is a muzzle break.

    I'd rather buy all this stuff locally (Canada).

    I haven't found a Canadian source for the Warne bipod though, and the best price online in the USA I've found is OpticsPlanet. Anyone know of a Canadian source?

    I've also been unable to find a muzzle break for Rem700 PCR 6.5 Creedmoor, any know of a Canadian supplier (site sponsor preferred) for these?

    Also looking for a Canadian/sponsor source for the TriggerTech Diamond trigger.

    I'm not a hunter (yet!), so my use for this rifle will be to get better at long range bench-rest shooting. I'm going to look into joining the ORA to get access to the Bordon (1000m) and Winona (500m) ranges.

    Any suggestions, advice, comments are greatly appreciated!

    Battle Beaver
    (Scott)
    http://www.youtube.com/battlebeaver
    ** Member CSSA, NSSF and NRA ** Why aren't you?

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Location
    Winnipeg
    Posts
    1,937

  3. The Following User Liked This Post By Stew

    Battle Beaver (03-21-2019)

  4. #3
    Senior Member VooDoo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Calgary, Alberta
    Posts
    922
    Might I recommend you check out Maple Ridge Armory - they make sweet barrels and have the brakes for them too, and yes in 6.5 as well.

    https://www.mapleridgearmoury.com/pr...k-solid-brake/
    University of Texas at Austin 2014 Commencement Address - Admiral William H. McRaven
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBQLFLei70

  5. The Following 2 Users Like This Post By VooDoo

    Battle Beaver (03-21-2019), Hidyn (03-21-2019)

  6. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    834
    Might I ask why FFP and what the intended use and distances planned to shoot are? Both FFP and 2 FP have their places where they have distinct advantages depending on the intended application.
    A cantilever mount is a terrible idea, it is not needed and is just stacking tolerances which is detrimental to precision. A standard plus 20 or 30 MOA rail and decent rings are always your best bet.

    I can't speak to jerry's experiences but several of our Pro shooters are running the Razor HD for PRS competition and they have never failed in any way.

  7. The Following 2 Users Like This Post By 50 B.M.G.

    6MT (03-22-2019), Battle Beaver (03-21-2019)

  8. #5
    Senior Member Battle Beaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Southern Ontario
    Posts
    565
    Quote Originally Posted by 50 B.M.G. View Post
    Might I ask why FFP and what the intended use and distances planned to shoot are? Both FFP and 2 FP have their places where they have distinct advantages depending on the intended application.
    A cantilever mount is a terrible idea, it is not needed and is just stacking tolerances which is detrimental to precision. A standard plus 20 or 30 MOA rail and decent rings are always your best bet.

    I can't speak to jerry's experiences but several of our Pro shooters are running the Razor HD for PRS competition and they have never failed in any way.
    Mostly 300-500 yds, 1000 yrds as well when/if I join the ORA.
    http://www.youtube.com/battlebeaver
    ** Member CSSA, NSSF and NRA ** Why aren't you?

  9. #6
    Senior Member Hidyn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Calgary, AB
    Posts
    817
    Quote Originally Posted by 50 B.M.G. View Post
    Might I ask why FFP and what the intended use and distances planned to shoot are? Both FFP and 2 FP have their places where they have distinct advantages depending on the intended application.
    I just want to drop in and say the reason that I went with FFP for mine was so the measurements in the reticle were always 100% accurate. That way I would never wind up second guessing myself if I used the reticule to measure something that would factor into my adjustments.

    Edit: Just looked at those Maple Ridge brakes, I'm going to have to give one of those a go! The JP Eliminator seems to be the absolute best for mitigating muzzle rise, but aesthetically pleasing she is not!
    Last edited by Hidyn; 03-21-2019 at 10:25 PM.
    "You can break the surgical procedure of removing an appendix down into about 30-35 individual steps each of which is not overly complicated or beyond an enthusiastic amateur."

    -Survival and Austere Medicine, 3rd ed.

  10. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    834
    Quote Originally Posted by Hidyn View Post
    I just want to drop in and say the reason that I went with FFP for mine was so the measurements in the reticle were always 100% accurate. That way I would never wind up second guessing myself if I used the reticule to measure something that would factor into my adjustments.
    This is an advantage to FFP scopes to be sure. However the down side is that as magnification increases so does the size of the reticle to the eye and as distance increases or target size decreases, this can be a serious detriment.
    The Vortex Razor is a great scope but in my experience is nearly useless for extreme long range precision shooting as like all FFP scopes that are worth buying the reticle completely obscures a 2.5" gong at 1000 yards, a 5" gong at 1000 is almost totally obscured as well. It is not until you get into BIG targets that you can actually see what you are aiming at, hence my question on purpose.
    For PRS style shooting FFP IS the answer, but for ELR shooting 2 FP is the better option.

  11. The Following User Liked This Post By 50 B.M.G.

    6MT (03-22-2019)

  12. #8
    Canadian ForcesMember 6MT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    2,813
    Quote Originally Posted by 50 B.M.G. View Post
    This is an advantage to FFP scopes to be sure. However the down side is that as magnification increases so does the size of the reticle to the eye and as distance increases or target size decreases, this can be a serious detriment.
    The Vortex Razor is a great scope but in my experience is nearly useless for extreme long range precision shooting as like all FFP scopes that are worth buying the reticle completely obscures a 2.5" gong at 1000 yards, a 5" gong at 1000 is almost totally obscured as well. It is not until you get into BIG targets that you can actually see what you are aiming at, hence my question on purpose.
    For PRS style shooting FFP IS the answer, but for ELR shooting 2 FP is the better option.
    Exactly why my FFP scope isn't very useful when the reticle obscures the target at distance. On my magnum, my SFP scope is the best for ELR.

  13. #9
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Posts
    8
    Quote Originally Posted by 50 B.M.G. View Post
    This is an advantage to FFP scopes to be sure. However the down side is that as magnification increases so does the size of the reticle to the eye and as distance increases or target size decreases, this can be a serious detriment.
    The Vortex Razor is a great scope but in my experience is nearly useless for extreme long range precision shooting as like all FFP scopes that are worth buying the reticle completely obscures a 2.5" gong at 1000 yards, a 5" gong at 1000 is almost totally obscured as well. It is not until you get into BIG targets that you can actually see what you are aiming at, hence my question on purpose.
    For PRS style shooting FFP IS the answer, but for ELR shooting 2 FP is the better option.
    What's your reticles' true magnification stadia thickness?
    That's because the razor reticle ebr 2c is .2 mil thick. Which is 2cm at 100m or 20cm at 1000m.
    The tremor3 for example has .05 on its thickest stadias and .015 on its thinnest, 5mm at 100 or 5cm at 1000m. A p4 reticle has a few options from .35 to .07. 2.5" or 6.35cm at 1000m targets require appropriate retices, not focal planes.

    Previous example of .18 reticle stadia is .52 mils or 52mm at 1000m.

    If horus was dumb enough to allow for a tremor3 in 2fp, it would be the same size on max mag only.

    2fp has no "advantages" if the same reticle is set up the same way with the max mag being the true magnification. This is reticle design issue, not focal plane issue.

  14. #10
    Senior Member Magmalis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    Sparwood B.C.
    Posts
    119
    EM precision and does brakes and has trigger tech triggers. Insite arms has muzzle brakes. I like Cadex bipods and stocks, they are all Canadian.

    Alberta tactical also has this all.


    Nightforce over vortex all day long but I must admit vortex makes nice scopes.

  15. The Following User Liked This Post By Magmalis

    Battle Beaver (03-21-2019)

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •