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    Almost a century ago, Standard Oil crushed the competition in efficiency by transporting oil in huge train car tanks instead of oil drums. It was so much cheaper that no other method could compete, and they ended up with a monopoly until the government stepped in to split them up.

    A pipeline is much more efficient than train car tanks. That's why the North American pipeline map looks like this


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    Quote Originally Posted by Suputin View Post
    All I can say is, "go for it potato" and lets see what happens. AB just has to restrict the oil flow for a few days and BC will go full Road Warrior. There are no fuel stocks there and EVERYTHING depends on fuel supplies.

    We shut off the fuel supply for a week and there will be no food in grocery stores, nobody will be able to go to work, nobody will be able to go shopping. People would be eating their neighbours in less time than that.

    So go ahead Mr Socks, do it and lets see who has the upper hand.
    I believe that the lower mainland only gets something like 30% of its gasoline from Alberta, so it's not like they'll be completely screwed. That said, they will have to outbid the Americans for the existing supply. $3.00+ per liter isnt a crazy number. A LOT of people just wont be able to afford it anymore. Public transit would be overwhelmed. Where there is no public transit, people wont be going to work. The price of consumer goods will go up (and never come back down) to cover the increased transportation costs. They'll have to change the short form for the province from BC (Bring Cash) to BASTOC - Bring A Sh-- Ton Of Cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksmithden View Post
    I believe that the lower mainland only gets something like 30% of its gasoline from Alberta, so it's not like they'll be completely screwed. That said, they will have to outbid the Americans for the existing supply. $3.00+ per liter isnt a crazy number. A LOT of people just wont be able to afford it anymore. Public transit would be overwhelmed. Where there is no public transit, people wont be going to work. The price of consumer goods will go up (and never come back down) to cover the increased transportation costs. They'll have to change the short form for the province from BC (Bring Cash) to BASTOC - Bring A Sh-- Ton Of Cash.
    The only oil refinery in the lower mainland also gets all of its feedstock (light oil) from the trans mountain pipeline. All Kenny had to do is just approve export permits for just heavy oil and dilbit, which cant be refined in the lower mainland. That way Washington state would get their heavy oil and we could export more dilbit and heavy oil and the lower mainland would be brought to its knees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suputin View Post
    All I can say is, "go for it potato" and lets see what happens. AB just has to restrict the oil flow for a few days and BC will go full Road Warrior. There are no fuel stocks there and EVERYTHING depends on fuel supplies.

    We shut off the fuel supply for a week and there will be no food in grocery stores, nobody will be able to go to work, nobody will be able to go shopping. People would be eating their neighbours in less time than that.

    So go ahead Mr Socks, do it and lets see who has the upper hand.
    Alberta and Saskatchewan need to shut off the oil to the whole country, not just BC for a week or so. That way all those meatheads that are anti oil and anti pipeline learn how much they depend on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksmithden View Post
    I believe that the lower mainland only gets something like 30% of its gasoline from Alberta, so it's not like they'll be completely screwed. That said, they will have to outbid the Americans for the existing supply. $3.00+ per liter isnt a crazy number. A LOT of people just wont be able to afford it anymore. Public transit would be overwhelmed. Where there is no public transit, people wont be going to work. The price of consumer goods will go up (and never come back down) to cover the increased transportation costs. They'll have to change the short form for the province from BC (Bring Cash) to BASTOC - Bring A Sh-- Ton Of Cash.
    Much of the fuel for the GVRD "comes from the US" but the feedstock for that fuel also comes from AB, so in totality, more like 50-65% of the fuel supply in GVRD originates in AB.

    But lets say the 30% number is correct. A 5 or 10% reduction in fuel supply to the GVRD would result in a massive price increase. A 1/3 reduction would quickly result in chaos as fuel supplies ran out and everything motorized ground to a halt. The effect on the local economy and citizen's ability to pay their mortgage and on public safety would be dramatic to say the least.

    In this case, AB holds all the cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oilman28 View Post
    Alberta and Saskatchewan need to shut off the oil to the whole country, not just BC for a week or so. That way all those meatheads that are anti oil and anti pipeline learn how much they depend on it.
    Not to mention adding a giant transit tax to every out of province transport truck crossing the province.

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    Screw that!

    If the environmental assessments are necessary (which I have doubts about) they must apply to all.

    As for the emissions cap, it must be removed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW .45 View Post
    Screw that!

    If the environmental assessments are necessary (which I have doubts about) they must apply to all.

    As for the emissions cap, it must be removed!
    And if a TANKER ban is on for the west coast,,, it's on for the east coast as well...

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