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    Join MPs to discuss the amendments to the firearms act. (June 19th 2019)

    Hello;
    We have arranged for a presentation and meeting between, my local MP Michael Barrett (MP for Leeds - Grenville - Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes) and two of his colleges from the Conservative Hunting and Angling Caucus: Glen Motz (MP for Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner) and Bob Zimmer (MP for Prince George—Peace River); and members of the firearms community.

    The event is taking place at my local club; The Grenville Fish and Game Club on June 19th at 7:00 pm.
    The club is about 40 minutes south of Ottawa, just north of the 401 (2596 Campbell Rd. Prescott, ON K0E 1T0).

    You do not have to be a club member to attend.

    If you are in the area and would like to hear their assessment and have your concerns understood, this is your opportunity.

    I think that a few minutes face to face is worth more than a few hours posting on the internet.

    RSVP to Michael.Barrett@parl.gc.ca
    See you there.

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    So is this to discuss just the c71 changes that have passed or potentially further changes beyond that should conservatives form gov?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Burke View Post
    So is this to discuss just the c71 changes that have passed or potentially further changes beyond that should conservatives form gov?
    It’ll be alluded to, but nothing definitive could be given out. Both a policy and press control prior to being in majority status. This is a open wallets, we’ll listen, and kumbya with the circle present. Still worth an attendance overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIR VEYOR View Post
    It’ll be alluded to, but nothing definitive could be given out. Both a policy and press control prior to being in majority status. This is a open wallets, we’ll listen, and kumbya with the circle present. Still worth an attendance overall.
    Thanks for the clarification. There's no way I can make the meeting mid week from west of the GTA, but I hope it's well attended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIR VEYOR View Post
    It’ll be alluded to, but nothing definitive could be given out. Both a policy and press control prior to being in majority status. This is a open wallets, we’ll listen, and kumbya with the circle present. Still worth an attendance overall.
    Actually, last year we visited all of the firearms clubs in the riding. We did not ask for any money and we sold no party memberships. We talked and we listened. It was neither an open wallet event nor was it a kumbya session.

    Although uncommon, some elected officials just want to put their ear to the ground and connect with the voters to get a feel of the mood and the level of interest in a topic.

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    [the old lists]

    Amending Criminal Code 91(1)(a) and 92(1)(1) by changing "possession" to "acquisition" would be a major step. That would result in possession of a non-restricted firearm no longer being a criminal offense while retaining the option of criminal charges for possession of a restricted/prohibited without a registration certificate.
    -- Claybuster;13406812
    Other ideas might be amending the safe storage laws for homes where children do not reside or when the licensed owner is present in the home. Developing on-line courses for the CFSC course on-line particularly for those in remote areas. How about re-categorizing 12(6) handguns as restricted but maintaining the import prohibition? No new ones into the system but those that are there now can be owned and used by anyone with an RPAL.
    -- Claybuster;13255199
    For example, decriminalizing simple possession of a firearm, modifying the safe storage laws to prevent another incident like Thomson, classification of firearms based on dimensions instead of type and variant, a specific framework on "easy to convert," increasing the number of CFSC instructors, developing on-line CFSC options for people in remote areas, clarity on magazine laws, etc.
    -- Claybuster;13354698
    (against AR-15 hunting etc)


    non-restricted = no licence
    restricted = pal no att
    full auto = Rpal w/ att
    Happy?
    -- airtruck63chev;8369998

    Bill C-391 is not repealing of the whole of C-68. It is but a step.
    On the list:
    Incorporated ATT's
    Lifetime licensing (I doubt the government will EVER give up licensing.)
    Mag handicaps
    De-restriction and un-prohibiting.
    -- Jarlath

    • get rid of the ATT system
    • remove sections 91 and 92 from the Criminal Code.
    • decriminalize other aspects of non-compliance with firearms regulations, specifically, when a person’s licence expires and is not renewed in a timely fashion, forgetting your registration certificate at home, and safe storage violations.
    • the Order in Council provision of the current firearms legislation, which allows easy re-classification of firearms, needs to be abolished, or severely restricted.
    • don’t allow the RCMP the power to arbitrarily re-classify firearms. This is very important, especially if the long gun registry is abolished
    • allow restricted firearms to be used on private property
    • in addition to collecting and target shooting, self-defense should be a legitimate reason to own a restricted firearm.
    • fix (or abolish) the current restricted/prohibited classification system.
    • abolish the limits on magazine capacity.
    • allow handgun hunting in appropriate areas.
    • increase access to ATCs, both for wilderness use, and for people with legitimate concerns for personal safety.
    -- jer_vic

    Lets work at getting the classifications thrown out, it's ridiculous that any of our guns are restricted.
    - police: Are you licensed?
    - me: yup, here's my PAL
    - police: Thanks, have a good day!
    That keeps it easy for police and Joe public, and everyone is safe.
    -- the_dude306

    Goals for Immediate Firearms Legislation Reform
    1. Completely repeal the former bills C-17 and C-68, known as .....
    2. Eliminate firearm licences and the requirement to take any .......
    3. Eliminate the automatic check of legal firearms owners when .......
    4. Replace the licensing and registration provisions with a point ......
    5. Renounce the agreement to implement the UN marking regulations .....
    6. Cancel the introduction of the proposed new gun show regulations.......
    7. Curtail the RCMP's attempts to unilaterally reclassify firearms.......
    8. End prohibitions on magazine capacity. ........
    9. Restore handgun hunting as a legitimate use of a handgun.......
    10. Eliminate punitive safe storage and transport requirements .......
    11. Remove the category of prohibited from firearms ownership .......
    12. Encourage support for recreational and competitive shooting .......
    -- Sheldon Clare, NFA


    Suppressors/Silencers (hearing loss, annoying the neighbours and horses)
    PAL applications to only have questions that are approved by the privacy commisioner and have good science behind them

    -Doing away with ATT permits (permits required to transport restricted firearms)
    -Replacing of the current three license system (PAL, RPAL, POL) with a FAC (Firearms Acquisition Certificate) system
    -Eliminate the invasive questioning, references, and personal divulgence of information that’s currently part of the 8 page licensing application
    -Decriminalizing the legal possession of firearms (currently, if your license lapses you are considered a criminal and face up to four years in jail)
    -Repealing the requirement to have a license to buy ammunition
    -Repeal of the safe storage and transport laws or a significant reworking of them to allow gun-owner’s discretion and to prevent criminal charges against gun owners who use guns in self-defense
    -Reclassifying all*semi-auto, pump, lever, or bolt action rifles or shotguns as non-restricted instead of the current structure which has similar rifles and shotguns classified arbitrarily as non-restricted, restricted, or prohibited
    -Reclassifying all*pistols as restricted instead of the current classifications which prohibits shorter barrel and smaller caliber handguns
    -Allow restricted firearms to be shot on private property
    -Allow prohibited firearms to be brought to a range
    -Allow handgun hunting
    -Elimination of magazine capacity limits (currently 5 rounds for semi-auto rifles and 10 rounds for handguns)
    -- sellbor

    The demand for the repeal of 91 and 92 in the Criminal Code, and section 117 of the Firearms Act should be at the very TOP of every request being sent. These are by far the most important changes to ask for. Only this secures our ability to own firearms.
    All other things will flow from this. And, if anything's left, we can ask for it AFTER those are repealed.
    -- straitshooter

    This is my personal wish list that I will be sending in my letters to MPs. All are welcome to copy the parts that you like
    Licenses
    - Acquisition license is granted automatically and immediately (no discretion by police nor bureaucrat) unless applicant is disqualified by violent/indictable criminal conviction or declared mentally unfit by judge. License can be revoked on same basis.
    - License never expires unless surrendered voluntarily or revoked
    - No "reason" or justification is required nor asked when a person seeks a license to acquire a firearm.
    - Remove sections 91 and 92 from the Criminal Code that criminalize possession: I.E. ongoing licensing is not required simply to continue possessing a gun that was acquired lawfully
    ..
    Technical aspects
    - All classifications of guns including prohibited and restricted should be abolished and all firearms would simply be "firearms" regardless of technical characteristics
    - Repeal the prohibition of: suppressors or "silencers", bullpup stocks, tracer ammunition
    - Repeal limits regarding magazine sizes or magazine extenders
    ..
    Preventing theft or confiscation
    - Remove the requirement to register any firearms
    - Delete all registration records of civilian-owned firearms
    - Make it a crime for a government agent to collect identifying information regarding gun sales, or to compel a business or individual to keep such records.
    ..
    Using firearms
    - Abolish anything related to Authorization to Transport
    - All firearms may be used on crown land or private property as allowed by the owner of the land and local bylaws
    ..
    Storage/transport
    - Decriminalize anything associated with firearms unless a true crime such as robbery is involved.
    - Repeal criminal offenses of storage, transport, licensing, registration, possession
    ..
    Other
    - Renounce the agreement to implement the UN marking regulations
    - Cancel the introduction of the proposed new gun show regulations
    - Remove any administrative powers from the RCMP and give to a civilian agency such as Industry Canada or Natural Resources
    - Repeal the Order in Council provision of the current firearms legislation, which allows arbitrary prohibition of firearms
    ..
    Safety
    - Authorization to carry permits are issued on a "shall issue" basis, by objective criteria such as training in safety and lawful use of force
    - Carrying a handgun openly outside city limits is allowed without an authorization to carry (e.g. for hunting or defense against animals)
    - Repeal prohibited weapons order that bans stun guns, pepper spray, kubatons, etc
    - Repeal section 88 (Weapons dangerous) and section 90 (concealed weapons) of the criminal code[/QUOTE]
    --Tbone69;9867419

    1. Decriminalize firearms possession by eliminating S. 91, and 92 of the Criminal Code.
    2. Eliminate the prohibited and restricted firearms classes, including rescinding arbitrary regulations on barrel length, appearance, caliber and magazine capacity.
    3. Eliminate punitive safe storage and transport requirements.
    4. Eliminate Chief Firearms Officers and rescind F.A. Section 58.1
    5. Remove the administration of the Firearms Act from the control of the RCMP.
    -- NFA

    6. Make it illegal to confiscate firearms that have not and/or are not being used in the commission of an offense.
    7. If not eliminate, then extend ATT to include hunting and target shooting with restricted firearms at any suitable safe location, subject to local and provincial jurisdiction.
    In other words go hunting with your AR. I would really like to see us communicating how practical and possibly superior these rifles are for use in the bush.
    8. 10 years mandatory per firearm for the theft of firearms from a licenced owner. We need protection and something like this would be helpful as a deterrent in the "safe storage" area.
    -- Paatz;9900405

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    I just want to be able to shoot this 22

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    in the same gravel pit I can shoot this .50 in

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    I'll do my best to make it. Weeknights are rough though. #DaddingAintEasy Thanks for organising this.

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    Damn Stew, I wish you lived closer, because I'd love to shoot that Lynx
    Remember High River!

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    Just a reminder that this event is occurring tomorrow evening, Wednesday the 19th. If you would like to make your view known and give some input directly to these MP’s this is an opportunity.

    Remember although Conservative Party policy is decided by the membership during policy conventions (and not dictated off the cuff by leadership candidates) your input as to the legislative priority of the firearms policies should be an ongoing effort.
    Last edited by Zinilin; 06-18-2019 at 06:43 PM.

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