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    NZ Officials Upset Over Conversion Kits Going Against Spirit Of The Law

    July 11 2019
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    When legislators in any country create a law, it behooves them to understand that the law will only be followed so far. What I mean is that those who are going to follow it can only be expected to adhere to the letter of the law as written, not necessarily to what lawmakers wanted when they crafted that bit of legislation.

    At least, thats how most Americans look at it.

    Down in New Zealand, some officials appear to be upset. It seems that a conversion kit that will turn an AR-15 into a pump-action rifle allows people to hold onto their guns rather than turn them in. For the officials, the problem is that this allows people to skirt the spirit of the law.

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    There are concerns modifications to guns to comply with new firearms laws could be easily reversed.

    Police are looking into whether kits designed to modify AR-15s from semi-automatic to pump-action would allow owners to keep the rifles, which are used in about half of all mass shootings in the US.

    Gun Control NZ co-founder Nik Green says allowing the modification kit would render the new laws pointless.

    Any conversion isnt permanent, so you could quite easily switch it back to being a semi-automatic It doesnt take these dangerous guns off the streets.

    A police spokesperson said they are still looking into the feasibility of modifying AR15 semi-automatics.

    The Police Commissioner will publish the manner and standard required for the safe and permanent modification of these and any other firearms.

    A process for how modifications can be carried out and a list of approved gunsmiths to do the modifications will be published on the police website soon.

    Green says people need to take the moral high-ground, with conversion kits not in the spirit of the law.

    Oh, cry me a river.

    People who did nothing wrong are being punished by having their rifles banned, and people are whining because they might, theoretically, convert their rifle into a model that would adhere to the new law and still be able to convert it back?

    Son, anyone likely to be a problem isnt going to convert their rifle at all, most likely. If they do, theyd be breaking the law by doing so, which means the law isnt accomplishing anything.

    What folks in New Zealand forget is that its possible to build an AR-15 from scratch if you have the know-how. If youre going to be that worried about what someone might do, you might as well ban blocks of aluminum and hand files (no, I wouldnt want to build an AR-15 that way, but it can be done).

    The truth of the matter is that NZ gun owners have no obligation to adhere to the spirit of any law. The law betrayed them. The government latched onto a horrific event and used it as a pretext to punish them for something they didnt do. If the law leaves a loophole so that they dont have to dispose of the property they purchased lawfully, why wouldnt they take advantage of it?

    Of course, there are also going to be a lot of people who take the cold, dead hands approach, and I cant say that I blame them either.

    hxxps://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/07/11/nz-officials-upset-conversion-kits-going-spirit-law/

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    Gun conversion kits not in the 'spirit of the law' - gun control advocate

    July 11 2019
    New Zealand

    There are concerns modifications to guns to comply with new firearms laws could be easily reversed.

    Police are looking into whether kits designed to modify AR-15s from semi-automatic to pump-action would allow owners to keep the rifles, which are used in about half of all mass shootings in the US.

    Gun Control NZ co-founder Nik Green says allowing the modification kit would render the new laws pointless.

    "Any conversion isn't permanent, so you could quite easily switch it back to being a semi-automatic... It doesn't take these dangerous guns off the streets."

    A police spokesperson said they are still looking into the feasibility of modifying AR15 semi-automatics.

    "The Police Commissioner will publish the manner and standard required for the safe and permanent modification of these and any other firearms.

    A process for how modifications can be carried out - and a list of approved gunsmiths to do the modifications - will be published on the police website soon."

    Green says people need to take the moral high-ground, with conversion kits not in the "spirit of the law".

    "Our preference is people hand in their guns, take the compensation, and buy a new gun - a gun that is fully compliant, a gun that won't be in the grey area of the law and cause problems in the future."

    Council of Licenced Firearm Owners spokesperson Nicole McKee says the confusion is not fair.

    "Firearm owners themselves are out there trying their best to comply with this new legislation, and they do expect to be able to have confidence in the legislators to direct them."

    She dismissed claims that modifications to semi-automatic weapons can be reversed.

    "Once those firearm parts are handed in... then they can't be converted back, can they?"

    McKee says owners are looking to modify because the true value of their weapons isn't being met.

    "If they think there is avenue they could take that is not handing in their firearms, but maybe looking at a compensation claim at modifying their firearm, then most definitely hold onto their firearms, for now."

    The first buyback event is this weekend.

    hxxps://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/gun-conversion-kits-not-in-the-spirit-of-the-law-gun-control-advocate.html

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    Can AR-15 owners avoid the gun ban with pump-action modifications? Not even police know

    July 10 2019
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    Gun owners are calling on police to clear up confusion over whether banned high powered assault rifles can be modified to comply with the new firearms law.

    It comes as a New Zealand importer considers bringing in an AR-15 modification kit, known as the Animus, which can convert the gun from a semi-automatic weapon to pump-action. The AR-15 was the primary weapon system used during the Christchurch mosque attacks.

    The converted pump-action AR-15 has a limited capacity and fires slowly, with every bullet pulled into the chamber manually by hand in a similar fashion to a shotgun. It was designed by an American company to comply with their own gun legislation.

    There is room under the Governments gun reform for modifications to make a prohibited firearm legal. However, police are yet to specify exactly how this should be carried out.

    Police were unable to confirm whether the AR-15 modification kit was legal when contacted by 1 NEWS today. In a statement, they said they were currently looking into the feasibility of modifying these particular firearms.

    Christchurch gunsmith Andrew Bakker, who runs Phantom Gunsmiths, said it was technically possible to convert an AR-15 for a range of different uses, including a smaller .22 calibre and pump or bolt action.

    AR-15's are built so people can convert them to long-range rifles or specialty rifles depending on what they want them for ⁠ straight out of the box. They have an upper and lower and you can swap parts in and out, he said.

    A representative for the Council of Licenced Firearm Owners, Nicole McKee, said owners were looking to modify where they could because the true value of their guns werent being met in the buy-back.

    People will be looking at other avenues of being able to retain their firearms in a legal configuration so they can continue to keep them, use them and not be out of pocket for handing them in, she said.

    We are looking for a fair and reasonable approach to all of this and it's really important that the Government and police have a fair and reasonable approach.

    However, Nik Green of the reform advocacy group Gun Control NZ said the conversions arent permanent.

    Guns are modular tools, you can take them apart, you can swap pieces in and out and what that means in practise is that a semi-automatic weapon that's been converted into a pump-action or a bolt action can easily be converted back again, he said.

    We would discourage people from doing this. There are opportunities to bring in prohibited weapons, get compensation and buy totally compliant weapons through the buy-back scheme.

    The AR-15 is just one part of the discussion. Many want to convert their banned hunting and sporting rifles, but don't know how.

    Gunsmith Andrew Bakker said he's received at least 50 inquiries.

    It's going to be your .22 bolt action rifles that have more than 10 shots, or antique lever action rifles that have more than 10 shots, they're the ones that I've been messaged about the most, he said.

    Lots of these rifles are collectible, I know people who have got rifles who have come back from WW1 and WW2 that have got a historic significance, and they don't want to see them put through the shredder.

    The question now is whether, with all this confusion, gun owners will stay at home when the buy-back begins in Christchurch on Saturday.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...en-police-know
    (video at link. A news story. A product description.)




    Animus is an AR-15 upper that converts an AR-15 from semi-auto to pump action
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    Green says people need to take the moral high-ground, with conversion kits not in the “spirit of the law”.
    Hey Mr. Anti-Gun .... GO FUKC YOURSELF!.

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    Consider yourselves lucky if some LAGO are willing to comply at all

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    Many owners disgruntled at being punished when they have done noting wrong will make a lot of the banned guns disappear into the woodwork in order to “stick it to the man” or more precisely “the woman”.
    Hope that buck toothed goof Jacinda gets trounced in the next NZ election.
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    The guns weren’t “on the streets” to begin with, jackass.

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    Schrdinger's Gat - The logical paradox which posits that a firearm, stored safe in the home, is at the same time On The Streets

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    Gun control advocates need to find themselves a safe space, enter it, and stay there until they mature sufficiently to rejoin human society.
    To show that men can travel to the moon and return, use the American experience.

    To show that public safety isnt hurt by responsible individuals carrying to protect life, use the American experience.

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    "Our preference is people hand in their guns, take the compensation, and buy a new gun - a gun that is fully compliant, a gun that won't be in the grey area of the law and cause problems in the future."
    Guns don’t cause problems, governments do.

    Our preference is that governments stop violating the rights of the individual.

    The primary purpose of government is to protect those rights.

    The right to defend life, liberty, and property.

    The right to arms.

    The right to free speech.

    The right to peaceably assemble.

    The right to free association.
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    To show that men can travel to the moon and return, use the American experience.

    To show that public safety isnt hurt by responsible individuals carrying to protect life, use the American experience.

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    Hopefully many kiwi gunnies will say “f’k you Jacinda we’re keeping our guns.”
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