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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisc View Post
    This way we would never be able to compete with Ontario and Quebec in government. It was all by design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billythreefeathers View Post
    in 1905 the federal government split Alberta and Saskatchewan into 2 provinces for that very reason

    Canadian history you will never find in any library books
    Soooo turn the tide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soph View Post
    It would be very hard for this to happen.

    For starters Quebec revenues will never be allowed to be calculated in the same way as Alberta's. Hydro Quebec's sales, as an example, are calculated at a hugely discounted rate well below market. Even though it grossly distorts the calculation, the Liberals are fine with this. The CPC is also fine with this. The PPC is the only party that wants market rates to apply for all calcs. Alberta's resource revenues are calculated at market rates. This disparity is a very powerful one insofar as equalization calculations are concerned.

    Quebec also has significantly lower mining royalties set. If they increased them to levels equal with other provinces that would increase their revenues and in turn lower their transfer payments received. Their current approach allows them to bring in the same net amount of dollars, but that balance is subsidized by transfer payments. It's a zero sum game really. Also in this example they actually benefit more when you take into account the inderect benefit of the jobs created from mining, and all the spin-offs to Quebecers. If Alberta did this it would not be offset by transfer payments. In effect Albertans will always subsidize the Quebec mining industry in this way, allowing it to creat jobs at the cost of the AB mining industry jobs.

    There's a good article out of the Fraser Institute that focuses on the resource side of things. It's a short read...

    https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...t-always-equal
    Interesting.

    I wonder what would happen if Prime Minister Andrew Scheer said in 2020, that because of the way Quebec manipulates the equalization system with Hydro Quebec and Mining, and that the constitution requires equalization, that Quebec will get it's $12 billion equalization (here), however the feds will reduce the Canada Health Transfer and Canada Social Transfers to $0 for Quebec ($9 billion (here)), and although the Federal government is increasing health transfers across Canada by $13 billion dollars which would have increased Quebec's finances by $3 billion, Quebec will be the only province and territory not to receive the increase. $9 billion + $3 billion = what do you know, $12 billion.

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    if all provinces collected taxes the same way Quebec does now,, then we'd have true equalization, and no centralized power

    then the federal government would have no say in provincial derestriction,,, and only do federal things,, like protect our borders,,, raise a national military,, sovereignty,, center bank,,,
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    I lost faith in Canadian voters when they voted the turd in for a majority.
    And likewise Albertan voters when they voted for nutley.
    Canadians ... dig deep enough and you´ll find that liberal-lefty core every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    Interesting.

    I wonder what would happen if Prime Minister Andrew Scheer said in 2020, that because of the way Quebec manipulates the equalization system with Hydro Quebec and Mining, and that the constitution requires equalization, that Quebec will get it's $12 billion equalization (here), however the feds will reduce the Canada Health Transfer and Canada Social Transfers to $0 for Quebec ($9 billion (here)), and although the Federal government is increasing health transfers across Canada by $13 billion dollars which would have increased Quebec's finances by $3 billion, Quebec will be the only province and territory not to receive the increase. $9 billion + $3 billion = what do you know, $12 billion.
    Yes sir, that would indeed work. There's lots of ways to get to a fair system, except we have long missed one key component...the will to do so at the federal level. I honestly do not see that changing soon.
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