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    Here's some info on the Turkey situation. The short version is, they're a pain in the ass... The Poles gave them a whoopin' in 1683, while my ancestors gave them a whoopin' in the 1500s... maybe its time to reform the band...

    Anyway, one thing that isn't being mentioned in all of this is that the Kurdish groups are communist/marxist and even enjoy Antifa support.

    As well, while the Turks are now bombing the crap out of the Kurds, the Kurds are also oppressing the Assyrians (historically Christians).

    Meanwhile Turkey is threatening to destroy Europe, either by becoming part of the Schengen Zone (at which time every single Turk will get up and move to Europe, Germany in particular, turning it all into "New Turkey", or will open thee gates and flood Europe with millions of Syrians and others.

    Turkey is also screwing around in Libya and some other places too. These guys just don't give up... I guess no one told them the Ottoman Empire has been dead for a while.

    The channel Renaissance Horizon is one of the few places that offers intelligible coverage of the cast of characters there, so here are some of his videos and reports.

    One thing he mentions is the control Turkey can exert on its ex-pats. Back in 2015, when Erdogan was reelected, I was quite surprised to witness a VERY obnoxious "victory convoy" passing my place in Toronto. They certainly seemed ecstatic over the election of an islamist tyrant.





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    Reports from the past few days.

    Turkish-Kurdish ground war is now underway in Rojava

    The Turkish military is coming across the border is several different areas. Intense firefights are going on right now. The Turkish military claims to have seized numerous small villages already. Militant groups, using Turkish armored vehicles, are participating in the invasion. Turkey is calling the invasion "Peace Spring," and referring to militant groups as "The Syrian National Army."

    Most of the Arab world condemned the Turkish invasion. Only Turkey's main Arab ally, Qatar, expressed support for the invasion. The Turkish Foreign Minister responded that the same Arab states who condemn Turkey are carrying out a mass slaughter in Yemen.

    The Russian government is mediating talks between Kurdish leaders and the Syrian government.

    So far Donald Trump is resisting demands from establishment Republicans and Democrats to intervene. Instead, he says he will respond with sanctions. Turkey's own NATO allies are talking about imposing a no-fly zone against the Turkish military.

    Finland has already imposed its own sanctions. All weapons sales have been halted. This includes unmanned Finnish drones that were just approved for sale to Turkey three weeks ago.

    Inside of Turkey, dozens of Kurds have been arrested for statements on social media. One prominent webmaster was arrested. The Turkish government also announced a Federal investigation into the co-chairs of the HDP party. This is a Kurdish minority rights party.
    The battle between Turkey and YPG is now underway

    Over the past few hours, Turkey has bombed targets in major Kurdish cities and towns all along the border.

    Firefights between the YPG and Turkish sponsored militants have erupted on two fronts near Manbij. Turkey is also bombing YPG targets north of Allepo.

    As YPG evacuated al-Raqqa, scores of alleged "ISIS sleeper agents" went on a rampage. Power in al-Raqqa is completely out. Gun battles and explosions are being reported all over the city.

    At the notorious al-Hol prison camp, ISIS prisoners launched a major riot resulting in the escape of several female ISIS captives.

    Typical of Turkish propaganda, they are claiming active ISIS fighters are present along the Turkish border inside of Rojava. This is the standard Turkish line, they also said this during the conquest of Afrin. No Jihadists groups are active along the Turkish border except for the ones that Turkey sponsors with money and weapons.

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    Turkey begins shelling YPG, mass Kurdish mobilization, US position unclear

    The same Republican and Democrat establishment warmongers who started disastrous wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya, and a bunch of the other countries, are furious that Trump wants to cut America loses in Syria and leave.

    At this point, it is completely unclear what the US position even is because different US officials are contradicting statements by Trump, and Trump's own statements vary wildly from day today.

    What is happening now is Turkey has begun shelling and bombing some YPG positions in the area of Syria that US troops just pulled out of. Turkey has masses vast numbers of tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery along the borders of YPG held territory. There is also probably in excess of 25,000 Turkish sponsored militants that have been massed in key areas.

    There is a massive mobilization of Kurds, including general calls for everyone to up arms in some cities. Huge columns of YPG assets are moving away from majority Arab areas along the Euphrates and heading north to confront Turkey. Kurds are burning tires to block Turkish drones. Kurdish officials say there has been no retaliation for Turkish strikes yet.

    Turkey is being condemned across Europe and even by some Arab nations. Although the Arab nations condemning Turkey are the same ones currently fighting a proxy war against Turkey in Libya.

    Right now it seems likely that America and Europe will enact sanctions against Turkey.

    The one silver lining is that the issue of increased Turkish integration into Europe is going to be totally dead for a very long time.

    Theoretically, the new "conservative" government of Greece will have all the moral justification to take aggressive security measures along the Turkish border and stop the new onslaught of illegal migrants. Of course, we will have to see what happens.
    Mass confusion as northeastern Syria braces for Turkish onslaught.

    Turkey is massing assets near the Syrian cities of Manbij and Tell Abyad. This includes thousands of members of Turkish sponsored militant groups. Some militants are being transported out of Turkish occupied Jarabulus and placed along the Turkish side of the border north of Tell Abyad. Turkey has already removed large sections of its border wall so troops can cross into Syria.

    Turkey is monitoring YPG movements in these regions with jets and unmanned drones.

    There are wildly conflicting claims about US allies in Syria. Special forces from Britain and France appear to be opposed to handing over ISIS prisoners to Turkey. Various factions east of the Euphrates are reaching out to the Syrian government.

    It is likely that a lot of towns and cities will end up rejoining the Syrian government. The big question is whether or not the Syrian army and the Turkish army will end up in a major confrontation. Backroom deals negotiated by Russia has prevented all-out firefights between the Syrian and Turkish armies in Syria so far.

    Some sources say YPG fighters are evacuating majority Arab areas on the eastern banks of the Euphrates to head north. For years, the USA has used the YPG to prevent territories, including the most lucrative oil fields, from returning to Syrian government control. The people who live in these areas are mostly Sunni Arabs, but local leaders tend to favor the Syrian government over the YPG. They would rather be ruled by non-Sunni fellow Arabs than by the Kurds.

    One thing is certain, the Kurds in Rojava have better weapons and armored vehicles than the Kurds that Turkey fought in Afrin. The USA has delivered Billions of dollars of weapons and vehicles to them over the years. They even gave the YPG an unknown quantity of so-called "fire and forget" Javalin missiles. They also have all the weapons captured from ISIS, which includes armaments looted from Syrian and Iraqi government stockpiles.
    US-led coalition turning over territory to Turkey in Syria

    It has begun. The US-led coalition is evacuating the notorious border city of Tell Abyad and many surrounding areas. Outposts have been dismantled. Over the past few months, the US ordered the YPG to dismantle earthworks around Tell Abyad. The city will now be completely open for Turkey to take control of it. Many Kurdish residents are evacuating the region.

    Turkish sponsored militant groups in Afrin and Jarbulus are claiming on social media that they are preparing to cross the Euphrates River and take large swaths of territory.

    Tell Abyad was once an ISIS stronghold. It became notorious because Turkey was allowing ISIS to bring massive amounts of oil across the border. At the time, the Obama administration had a policy of not bombing oil tankers. So ISIS could deliver oil to Turkish buyers with absolute impunity.

    Manbij is another city that was once a major ISIS stronghold. Many of the top leaders all had houses there. For the past two years, Turkey has been vowing to "liberate" the city from the YPG. The YPG previously defied the USA and allowed small contingents of Syrian and Russian military personnel to take over a small town outside of Manbij. This was to create an extra buffer between Manbij and Turkish backed militant groups. It appears that the Syrian army is now massing troops and equipment in various positions near Manbij.
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    Turkish foreign minister announces plans to repatriate two million Syrians

    Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu announced that two million Syrians living in Turkey will be repatriated.

    Turkey is not only aggressively preventing new Syrians from entering Turkey, they fully intend to repatriate the Syrians they have now. Turkey has already been building new apartment buildings in the Turkish occupation zone and moving Syrian in. They are also building pro-Turkish schools for the Turkmen minority in northwest Syria.

    There are two reasons for this announcement. Many Turks simply do not want to host the Syrians any longer. There has even been rioting and mob fights between Turks and Syrians in Turkish cities.

    The second is that Turkey wants to use this is an accuse to occupy more land in Northern Syria. They are basically saying, we need to occupy more territory in order to ensure that it is safe for these Syrians to live in. Of course, the territory they are talking about is areas under the control of the US-sponsored Kurdish YPG. The YPG is the military wing of the PYD. Despite America's gaslighting, the PYD is little more than the Syrian branch of the PKK. They rule Rojava as a one-party Marxist state.

    Turkey would very much like to occupy this area themselves and water down the Kurdish share of the population by building apartments for Arabs and Turkmen.

    Turkey openly works with HTS, the former al-Qaeda franchise formerly known as Nusra Front. HTS escorts Turkish military personnel around Idlib and protects them from other Jihadist groups. Turkey gives HTS GRAD rockets to fire at the Syrian army. During the Turkish led invasion of Afrin, known al-Qaeda members who are wanting in foreign countries posted selfies on the internet bragging that they were part of the Turkish led effort.

    However, Erdogan and his cabinet love to rant about how America is the one who supports terrorists in Syria.
    Turkey says current joint Turkish/US patrols in Northern Syria is not enough

    Here is a story I saw coming a mile away. The US has begun joint patrols with Turkish soldiers in Rojava. This is basically to prevent Turkey from staging an all-out invasion.

    Joint US/Turkish helicopter patrols began over a week ago. The first actual Turkish ground troops arrived with armored vehicles yesterday. The purpose of the helicopter patrols has been for Turkey to identify YPG fortifications along the border. The US then orders the YPG to demolish these fortifications.

    Today Erdogan already declared that the Turkish presence in Rojava is "insufficient" and the US must allow much more.

    Months from now there will probably be thousands of Turkish troops in Rojava and it also be ... insufficient.

    Meanwhile, a large battle is going on between the Turkish military and Turkish sponsored militia against the YPG around Tall Rif'at. This is in Northwestern Syria runs along the current Turkish occupation zone.
    Sunni army rioting on the Turkish border

    Thousands of physically fit young males are violently rioting at the Bab al Hawa border crossing with Turkey right now. There have been large bursts of gunfire from the Turkish army. However, I don't know if anyone has been shot. They might be only firing into the air.

    This is the last part of Syria controlled by Jihadists groups. The Jihadists are currently fleeing from many towns and villages to the south.

    There is no doubt that the people rioting includes hardcore veteran Jihadists. Numerous rioters are even waving anti-Assad flags. Idlib has been under a Jihadist occupation for years now. There are Jihadists from every part of Syria, as well as from across the Middle East and Central Asia. There have been dozens of large scale evacuations to Idlib over the years. This means that a Jihadist group agreed to give up territory in another part of Syria in exchange for safe passage for themselves and family members to Idlib. The entire region has been repopulation by Jihadists.

    You can bet that if they get into Turkey, many will try to enter Europe.

    Turkey just began joint patrols with US troops in parts of Rojava. This is part of an effort by the US to prevent a full-scale Turkish invasion of the region. The US has ordered the YPG to dismantle fortifications along the border with Turkey and evacuate certain areas.

    Turkey was the main country that was still sponsoring militants in Idlib and has bases and military personnel all over the region now. However, they have made some sort of deal with Russia. Turkey is allowed to keep their bases, but they are not presently interfering with the advance of the Syrian army.


    Turkish troops and Jihadists flee the pocket created by the Syrian army

    In conclusion to my post about Syria yesterday. The pocket created by the Syrian army has allegedly been abandoned by Turkish soldiers. Jihadist groups are also evacuating their forces from the pocket as well. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov made a statement that Russia and Turkey are negotiating behind the scenes. It is possible that Turkey and Russia made some kind of deal.

    Video from Russian media allegedly shows Jihadists using the former Turkish base.

    Currently, the Syrian army is storming the city of Khan Shaykun, which is directly north of the former Turkish base. Khan Shaykun is controlled by Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham [HTS]. This is the group formerly known as Nusra Front, which was originally founded as the official al-Qaeda franchise in Syria.

    A bunch of small villages and towns are surrendering to the Syrian army as the Jihadists leave. Usually, when the Jihadist groups leave an area, the remaining village militia and local leaders will sign a reconciliation/amnesty agreement. Any militias that remained in the area will switch sides and become pro-government militias. This is the first major military victory of the Syrian army since battles with ISIS over a year ago.

    A Turkish officer who is believed to have been at the base near Murak says two new bases will be established. Turkey is currently massing tanks, artillery, and bulldozers to create a new frontline.

    By leaving their base in Murak, Turkey prevents escalating tensions with Russia. However, it remains to be seen how much territory Turkey will cede. Russia has long demanded that the Syrian government be allowed to retake the entire Interstate-5 corridor linking Allepo to Hama and Damascus. This would mean re-taking control of about a third of the territory currently controlled by Jihadist groups.

    Meanwhile, fighting between Turkey and Kurdish groups has escalated north of the city of Allepo.

    While all this is going on, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu vowed to defy the United State and invade Rojava to create "a safe zone."
    Turkey is on a collision course with both Russia and the USA in Syria

    Here is a map of northwestern Syria. Afrin and a strip of territory north of the city of Allepo are occupied and administered by Turkey. South of Afrin is Idlib Government, which is administered by various competing Jihadist groups. Among the largest groups are HTS and al-Zinky. HTS is formerly known as Nusra Front and was the official al-Qaeda franchise in Syria. Al-Zenki was originally armed by the United States but is now classified as a terrorist group by the United States. HTS and al-Zenki occasionally battle each other. al-Zenki thinks the former al-Qaeda franchise has gone soft.

    Meanwhile, Turkey is passed out armored vehicles and grad rockets to various Jihadist groups to fight the Syrian Army. Turkey also has a ring of small bases that are meant to intimidate the Syrian army from advancing. There is also a ring of small bases operated by Russia and Iran, who are providing support for the Syrian army. Russia also operates designated "civilian corridors" for people to leave Idlib. Many of the personnel used by Russia on the ground are Chechen MPs who are Sunni.

    What is happening now is the Syrian army is encircling one of the Turkish bases. This is a base located outside of Murak directly above the city of Hama.

    The city of Murak is pretty notorious. It was the base of Jung al-Aqsa, a Nusra Front splinter group that became the most brutal Jihadist group in the region. Jung al-Aqsa suicide bombed the leaders of rival Jihadist groups and carried out a huge massacre of hundreds of members of a rival Sunni group that they deemed to be not adequately Islamic. Eventually, all the other Jihadists in Idlib banded together to eradicate them.

    Right now, Turkey has Jets and unmanned drones all over the sky above Murak and huge columns of new Turkish military vehicles are pouring across the border.

    I suspect that what is about to happen is Turkey will unilaterally declare that they are taking over control of Idlib to create a "safe zone for civilians." Then they will declare that Russia is committing war crimes by bombing a designated safe zone. -

    Turkey also continues to say they will invade Rojava any day. Rojava is currently controlled by the US-sponsored PYD/YPG. Turkish troops also occupy parts of Northern Iraq and are battling similar Kurdish groups in that country.

    Turkey is becoming very aggressive. Tensions are escalating between Turkey and Russia, America, the European Union, Iraq, and others. Presently, Turkey is playing a large role in conflicts in Syria, Iraq, Azerbaijan, and Libya. They are also beefing up their occupation of eastern Cyprus.

    The AKP government of Turkey uses both pan-Turkic ethnonationalism as well as pan-Sunnism to promote its aggressive foreign policies.

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    Older reports from this summer.

    UAE allegedly destroys Turkish military transport plane moments after it lands in Libya

    Turkey continues to deliver weapons to the GNA government of Libya by sea and air.

    This morning a Ukrainian transport plane, on loan to the Turkish military, landed at the airport in GNA controlled Misrata. Within moments of landing, it was destroyed on the ground by an air strike. Local sources are crediting the UAE with destroying the aircraft.

    The GNA government claims that both the Egyptian & UAE air forces are carrying out strikes. A few days ago, a Chinese Wing Loong-II armed drone was shot down over Misrata. The drone is believed to have been under the control of the UAE air force.

    Lybia is turning into a proxy war between an emerging Turkish/Qatari alliance against more moderate Arab governments. It has also been revealed by the US government that France delivered Javelin "fire and forget" missiles to anti-GNA fighters in direct violation of their non-transfer agreement with the USA.

    The GNA, which was formerly backed by America, France, and the UN, only controls a small area. Mainly the cities of Tripoli, Misrata, and Sirte. It has the support of the Muslim Brotherhood as well as Salafist militias. The governments of Egypt and UAE specifically oppose the Muslim Brotherhood. The LNA, which controls most the country, is led by Khalifa Haftar, a former Libyan General, turned CIA asset, who was re-inserted into Libya by the US State Department under Hillary.

    Turkey and Qatar are perhaps the two nations most notorious for sponsoring radical Salafist militias in Syria. For example, Turkey even admitted to providing Ansar al-Islam, a Kurdish support group for al-Qeada that had previously killed many US soldiers in Iraq, with weapons. In 2014, most of Ansar al-Islam officially merged with ISIS. In Idlib, Turkish soldiers openly cooperate with HTS, the former al-Qeada franchise previously known as Nusra Front. HTS militants escort Turkish troops around Idlib.

    Qatar also sponsored radical Salafist groups and is believed to have been ground zero for civilian donations to ISIS. Turkey has 3,000 soldiers in Qatar and is helping the nation modernize its military. Turkey also recently opened a base in Somalia.
    Shock: US made Javelins in Libya came from France, not the UAE!

    Recently GNA troops overran an LNA encampment and seized several US-made FMG-148 Javelin missiles.

    These are commonly referred to as "fire and forget" missiles. You can fire at an enemy target and commence your getaway immediately without having to steer the missile, like a traditional ATGM.

    These are sold by the USA to select allies and are strictly non-transferable. They cost about $175k each.

    When the missiles showed up Libya, members of the US Congress accused the UAE of breaking their non-transfer agreement with the US and supplying Haftar's LNA with the missiles. An official US State Department investigation commenced.

    Now the US State Department is saying the serial numbers correspond to missiles sold to France. This has exposed the French as breaking their non-transfer agreement with the US and covertly giving Haftar these powerful weapons.

    France and the USA were formerly major supporters of the Government of National Accord [GNA]. Today, the only countries officially supporting the GNA are Turkey and Qatar, while the LNA is primarily backed by Egypt and the UAE. The LNA is fighting under a more secular/nationalist banner, while the GNA is supported by Islamist and Salafist groups.

    If Hafter can defeat the GNA in a timely manner, it will likely bring an end to the so-called "rescuing" of migrants off of the coast of GNA held Tripoli and Misrata. Hafter could potentially revive agreements with Italy to repatriate their illegal aliens back to Africa in exchange for financial support.

    On a side note, the USA has given Javelins to the YPG in Rojava. We know this because some of the Kurds couldn't refrain from posting selfies on social media with the weapons. I believe that one day soon, a Javelin is going to blow up a Turkish military vehicle and it will be a major international incident.
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    Turkey has always had an obsession with the Kurds,
    so when they get a chance to kick some Kurd ass they go for it.
    That's not surprising, or even news.

    What a mess, it makes my head spin trying to sort it out .
    One must cut through the day-to-day clutter to see the root cause

    Kurdish groups where communists have infiltrated are the result of a confused American policy.
    I am reminded of Ho Chi Minh.

    The situation in Libya where alliances shift faster than the desert sand is again the result of
    'the enemy of my enemy' and other expediences.

    The fact that Turkey is itself a NATO member is the result of this cold war thinking.
    IMO they rate right up there with Pakistan in terms of acting like an ally.
    And now we can add France to that list. Again.

    Things our side should take away from all of this:
    Clearly define your self-interest before getting involved in foreign disputes.
    Some of our so-called 'allies' only move when it suits them.

    Stick to your principles. Don't allow the proponents of expediency to influence decision making.
    It always ends badly in spite of any perceived short term advantage.
    Something to be mindful of when making friendly noises towards the Saudis.

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    What an absolute mess. Why didn't i hear anything about the French weapons transfer? You'd think that would be big news, a Nato partner transferring weapons tech against sales agreements.
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    The UN and most media thrives on conflict, they never want it to end.

    When the Sri Lankan's finally said enough is enough and proceeded to Kill All of the the Tamil Tigers and Execute with prejudice All of their leaders where and when they were found (there were no trials and surrender was not an option); the UN, most western governments and the media went nuts.
    A war that had gone on for more than a generation finally ended, the killing stopped and people could get on with living and planning to keep living.

    Perhaps we are going to see the same thing again; from the UN, most western governments and the media, and if the people in the region are lucky, from the Turkish government.
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