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    What did the PPC cost us

    Yukon (LIB 6849 CPC 6777 and PPC 280)
    South Okanagan-West Kootenay (NDP 24,124 CPC 23,415, and the PPC 1,567)
    Coquitlam-Port Coquitlam. 19,614 Liberal, 19,275 CPC, and 687 PPC.
    etc

    (Note: above was also found by critter928)

    Quote Originally Posted by critter928
    And don't you forget NO ONE followed Max out the door. Not one MP. Not one prominent member of the conservative movement from Preston Manning to Stephen Harper supported his move, and to the contrary spoke out about it.

    And he didn't even take a fraction of that 50% with him to his party. He couldn't even win his own seat. Only a small percentage of the right was gullible enough to follow him and believe his pie in the sky undeliverable promises.

    If he couldn't see that trying to split the right vote a year our from an election wasn't doomed to give us another Liberal government then he is a friggen political retard, as are those who followed him (and judging by the quality of candidates he attracted, retard his being generous).

    The majority of us have been telling you and the other Bernierites that you are only handing the Liberals another term, and handing them our guns while you are at it.

    The CPC won the popular vote by over 1.5%.

    The other 1.6% the PPC took accomplished nothing but handed close ridings to Liberals and NDP.

    What do you think the electoral map would look like with the CPC with 3.1% more of the vote than the Liberals?

    Well as much as it pains me to say it, we were right. The vote spit cost us much needed seats. Bravo.
    Quote Originally Posted by critter928
    The CPC actually took home more votes this election than last, and more than even during Harper's majority in 2011.

    We won the popular vote by 1.4%, which combined with the PPC's 1.6% would have been a 3% advantage that the Liberals would have to acknowledge, even if it still resulted in a Liberal minority. I suspect it would be a lot closer. Not with that extra 1.6%, but also the all those wasted volunteers, especially the ones wasting energy degenerating Scheer and the CPC on doorsteps instead of selling him as and alternative to Trudeau and calling out Trudeau's many failures.
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    Of course it cost us. So many PPC supporters were highly delusional. I saw some comments on one article recently about polling and the PPC supporters believed Max would actually become PM and that the polling was grossly wrong.

    But there are fools everywhere. The real problem is the gun owners who knew the PPC wouldn't win, were informed of the consequences of vote splitting, and said they don't care. Well they're dead to me. They worked for Heidi, Wendy and Blair. They accomplished what the gun grabbers wanted. They were "useful idiots" that helped the gun grabbers for "muh principles". While I'm sure they are consoling themselves with forced thoughts of "I did what I felt was right", I'm sure a little deeper down they realize what turncoats they've been.
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    So 3 ridings? What about the other 40+ needed for a (bare minimum) CPC majority? Who cost the CPC those?
    Successfully escaped this crazy quack s***hole country ALIVE - 12/26/2017!!!

    Give your family tree a good shake and see if you have any dual citizenship that you can use to GTFO of this crazy quack s***hole country!

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    I went looking for downloadable .csv or such,
    election results data from elections.ca (for each riding/district, the votes by each party)
    None of the newspapers election maps have a 'download data' button.

    Presumably all the newspapers and television stations were getting the data live, so it must be available somewhere.

    Found this, but it's not worth the bother to screen scrape if it'll be available in a .csv later in the week.
    https://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts.aspx?lang=e

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    Oh, found it.
    http://enr.elections.ca/DownloadResults.aspx

    (I didn't see a link for that on elections.ca ; but I recorded where I got the data from back in 2015 and the link is still there but with tonight's data)

    oh yeah, I remember this thing. I can't just load it into excel and get the answers I want. I've got a computer program around here somewhere to parse it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe6167 View Post
    So 3 ridings?
    Didn't see the "etc"?
    Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our times [#uc# you CCP!]

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    Thumbs up for the PPC for fielding as many candidates as it did for a party as young as it is. I hoped Max would win his seat, but alas it was not to be. Hopefully the party holds together, time will tell.

    For the CPC folks, you can keep on whining and blaming everyone else (very much Liberal Lite mind you, but go for it, doesn't bother me in the least) if you think that helps your party. I would, however, suggest you look inward instead. The root of all your ills lay there. Fixing your own house is within your pervue, you might want to focus on that.

    Hehe, and since this thread will be a whole lot of high drama, this is my first and last post/read of it. Knock yourselves out .

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    Here's the data, based on preliminary election results from elections.ca (the final hasn't been released yet).

    districtName, conservative, liberal, bloc, ndp, ppc, other, winner, difference
    **PPC**, 1) Yukon, 6777, 6849, 0, 4475, 280, 2109, liberal, 72
    **PPC**, 2) Richmond Hill, 21692, 21804, 0, 4425, 507, 1821, liberal, 112
    **PPC**, 3) Kitchener--Conestoga, 19833, 20106, 0, 5152, 783, 4889, liberal, 273
    **PPC**, 4) Coquitlam--Port Coquitlam, 19275, 19614, 0, 13073, 687, 3985, liberal, 339
    **PPC**, 5) Miramichi--Grand Lake, 12311, 12725, 0, 2874, 1216, 5471, liberal, 414
    **PPC**, 6) Cumberland--Colchester, 16219, 16672, 0, 5451, 608, 6500, liberal, 453
    **PPC**, 7) South Okanagan--West Kootenay, 23508, 11481, 0, 24304, 1588, 5880, ndp, 796
    8) Egmont, 6616, 7513, 0, 1182, 0, 3747, liberal, 897
    9) King--Vaughan, 27454, 28365, 0, 4195, 725, 2460, liberal, 911
    10) Fredericton, 14589, 12803, 0, 2826, 767, 15856, other, 1267
    11) Labrador, 3548, 4821, 0, 2796, 0, 224, liberal, 1273
    12) Sydney--Victoria, 11228, 12536, 0, 8150, 0, 8662, liberal, 1308
    13) Nunavut, 2327, 2798, 0, 3717, 0, 189, ndp, 1390
    14) Saint John--Rothesay, 14006, 15448, 0, 5046, 1260, 5494, liberal, 1442
    15) Bay of Quinte, 22886, 24351, 0, 9770, 1202, 3744, liberal, 1465
    16) Winnipeg South, 18309, 19887, 0, 6573, 407, 2023, liberal, 1578
    17) Cape Breton--Canso, 14478, 16097, 0, 6258, 968, 4056, liberal, 1619
    18) Fleetwood--Port Kells, 16347, 18149, 0, 10293, 1081, 2324, liberal, 1802
    19) Trois-Rivières, 15192, 15676, 17178, 9984, 572, 1606, bloc, 1986
    20) Bonavista--Burin--Trinity, 12697, 14701, 0, 3855, 0, 920, liberal, 2004
    21) Beauport--Limoilou, 12883, 12871, 15067, 5524, 1026, 2161, bloc, 2184
    22) Niagara Centre, 17895, 20109, 0, 15358, 768, 3380, liberal, 2214
    minority. (liberal 18176, ndp 2186, bloc 4170)
    23) Thunder Bay--Rainy River, 11984, 14336, 0, 11708, 730, 1783, liberal, 2352
    24) Northwest Territories, 4279, 6638, 0, 3619, 295, 1757, liberal, 2359
    25) Sault Ste. Marie, 13352, 16084, 0, 9317, 733, 1781, liberal, 2732
    26) Burnaby South, 13887, 10634, 0, 16753, 641, 2786, ndp, 2866
    27) Newmarket--Aurora, 23079, 25957, 0, 6418, 578, 4436, liberal, 2878
    28) Peterborough--Kawartha, 24096, 26979, 0, 11698, 876, 5205, liberal, 2883
    29) Skeena--Bulkley Valley, 13637, 4704, 0, 16670, 929, 4855, ndp, 3033
    30) Windsor--Tecumseh, 15758, 18896, 0, 18254, 1278, 2326, liberal, 3138
    31) Vancouver South, 14222, 17442, 0, 7841, 527, 2375, liberal, 3220
    32) North Island--Powell River, 20131, 8151, 0, 23481, 1066, 9297, ndp, 3350
    33) Kitchener South--Hespeler, 17359, 20732, 0, 6853, 995, 5755, liberal, 3373
    34) Beauport-Côte-de-Beaupré-Žle d'Orléans-Charlevoix, 14947, 10526, 18325, 2795, 1031, 2661, bloc, 3378
    35) Elmwood--Transcona, 16426, 5282, 0, 19841, 506, 1477, ndp, 3415
    36) Malpeque, 5899, 9533, 0, 1495, 0, 6103, liberal, 3634
    37) Kanata--Carleton, 23699, 27802, 0, 8001, 929, 4182, liberal, 4103
    38) Coast of Bays--Central--Notre Dame, 11695, 15861, 0, 4058, 0, 1310, liberal, 4166
    39) Delta, 17638, 21969, 0, 8654, 937, 4090, liberal, 4331
    40) Cardigan, 6303, 10687, 0, 1468, 0, 3239, liberal, 4384
    41) Timmins--James Bay, 9784, 9457, 0, 14357, 1244, 1226, ndp, 4573
    42) Charlottetown, 3924, 8509, 0, 2193, 0, 4626, liberal, 4585
    43) Oakville, 24046, 28668, 0, 4807, 765, 3596, liberal, 4622
    44) Saint Boniface--Saint Vital, 15287, 19934, 0, 7932, 657, 2914, liberal, 4647
    45) Surrey Centre, 10413, 15266, 0, 11166, 700, 3280, liberal, 4853
    46) St. Catharines, 18850, 23817, 0, 12252, 814, 3637, liberal, 4967
    47) West Vancouver--Sunshine Coast--Sea to Sky Country, 17106, 22135, 0, 8814, 983, 14463, liberal, 5029
    48) Markham--Stouffville, 19570, 24743, 0, 4013, 531, 14797, liberal, 5173
    49) Cambridge, 17316, 22636, 0, 10972, 1854, 4517, liberal, 5320
    50) Scarborough--Agincourt, 15376, 20778, 0, 3550, 515, 1028, liberal, 5402
    majority. (liberal 106327, ndp 19423, bloc 7548)

    What that means
    a) the election results are in real life (lib 157, con 121, bloc 32 ndp 24)
    b) if the PPC votes all went conservative (**PPC**), then the election would have been (lib 151, con 128)
    c) if 24,532 votes had gone our way in exactly the right places, then we'd have a conservative minority
    d) if 133,298 votes had gone our way in exactly the right places, then we'd have a conservative majority

    You can check a riding at
    https://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts.aspx?lang=e

    Polls Reporting: 73,291 of 73,536 (99.67 %)
    Voter Turnout: 17,890,264 of 27,126,166 registered electors (65.95 %) -- does not include electors who registered on election day.

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    I'm in the Kitchener--Conestoga riding, they are still counting the ballots, they still don't have a winner. I was surprised to see a PPC candidate on the ballot. Didn't see any signs, no canvassers, didn't even know who it was, but 783 voted for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lordburu View Post
    I'm in the Kitchener--Conestoga riding, they are still counting the ballots, they still don't have a winner. I was surprised to see a PPC candidate on the ballot. Didn't see any signs, no canvassers, didn't even know who it was, but 783 voted for him.
    Kitchener-Conestoga is one of a handful of ridings where the PPC might have helped elect a Liberal. Ultimately it doesn't matter because had all those ridings gone to the CPC it would not have changed the result.

    It is probably a mistake to automatically put all PPC votes with Scheer. The PPC attracts voters who are for the most part angry and disaffected losers, white supremacists and other assorted weirdos and ideologues who probably wouldn't have voted otherwise or spoiled their ballots.

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