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    Do The B.C. Sheriffs Need Better Guns and Training ?.....the AG says Yes .

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    B.C. sheriffs need better firearms, use of force training: auditor general

    Sheriffs in B.C. need better training and more effective ways to monitor the safety and security of courts, a report released by the province’s auditor general found.

    Thursday’s report from Carol Bellringer focused on the human resource practices of the B.C. Sheriff Service, following reports of delays across the province’s courthouses. In Canada, trials have only 18 months on the provincial level, and 30 at the federal level before the case can be dismissed.

    The sheriff’s service launched a plan to better train and retain staff in 2017, which the audit found not sufficient. The audit found that while the plan included strategies to hire more sheriffs, the service doesn’t know if its staffing goals are sufficient, or why sheriffs leave in the first place.

    When the auditor general looked at staffing between 2012 and 2017, Bellringer found the service lost more sheriffs than it was able to hire.

    The audit found that while new hires received “considerable, high-quality training,” ongoing training was lacking.

    “The BCSS did not maintain an accurate and complete list of the courses it provided to its in-service staff, nor did it have an overarching training plan that outlined the courses these staff were expected to take to ensure they were prepared for the job,” the audit noted.

    When Bellringer’s office first looked at mandatory firearms and use of force training in 2017 to 2018, they found that less than 40 per cent of sheriffs re-qualified on their firearm and use of force training on time. In 2019, Bellringer said the sheriff’s service lengthened the time between qualification tests “without examining the impact” it would have.

    “The improper use of a firearm or force can have significant consequences for courthouse staff and the public,” Bellringer said. “Failure to properly train sheriffs increases the risk and severity of incidents, accidents and injuries, should sheriffs need to use their firearm or force.”

    In its response to the audit, the province said it was just the policy manual that was updated during the audit to reflect “long-standing practice in the field,” and that the guidelines had been in place since 2017.

    However, Bellringer’s audit said she did “not find any evidence” that the change was based on any assessments of what staff felt they needed.

    “In fact, many of the staff we interviewed felt that even the original policy (with stricter requirements) was insufficient to maintain their skills in these areas,” the audit said.

    Under the new requirements, 15 to 20 per cent of staff still did not meet the guidelines.
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    in Wpg, the police qualify once a year, for some it's their only range time. Not a lot of confidence in them

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    An auditor named Bellringer, love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stew View Post
    in Wpg, the police qualify once a year, for some it's their only range time. Not a lot of confidence in them
    A good friend of mine has been a cop in Ontario for almost 30 years. Ive taken him out shooting a few times. As long as you run away from him in a straight line, you're as safe as a baby it its mother's arms. Everybody around you is probably dead, but you're good.
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    It is very odd that while the Liberals are constantly demanding more gun control and bans , yet LE seems to be arming up more every year . If Canada is totally safe , and no one needs a gun for protection ; then why the arming up of LE , while taking firearms away from the public .
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    BC Sheriffs are in a collective crisis and have been for years.

    They just dont pay that well, so they are constantly bleeding people who leave for municipal police jobs as well as better paying fed jobs with RCMP, CBSA, CSC.

    Since they can barely fill operational positions, in service training gets pushed back well after expiry dates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunexpert007 View Post
    It is very odd that while the Liberals are constantly demanding more gun control and bans , yet LE seems to be arming up more every year . If Canada is totally safe , and no one needs a gun for protection ; then why the arming up of LE , while taking firearms away from the public .
    Why is that anyway?

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    The BC Sheriff's have access to excellent equipment. MY BIL was part of a hand-picked team from the Sheriff's Office to provide transport security during the Bacon trial, and on top of his usual high qual sidearm he was issued top notch ballistic gear/helmet and an H&K rifle. He consistently scored at the top of his testing, and earned his crossed pistols/rifles every requal session but left due the typical poison at the top. The problem isn't with equipment, the "management" needs a purge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camo tung View Post
    MY BIL was part of a hand-picked team from the Sheriff's Office to provide transport security during the Bacon trial
    Those dirty hippies took bacon to court?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimlock View Post
    Those dirty hippies took bacon to court?
    They spent a lot of money on the Kelowna courthouse to try and prosecute the surviving Bacon brother.
    "It is an absolute truism that law-abiding, armed citizens pose no threat to other law-abiding citizens."

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