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    Quote Originally Posted by x0ra View Post
    This is NOT the law currently. The law on the seller *just* to have no reason to believe the buyer isn't licensed.
    That's one law.

    The seller also has to obey the others. e.g. Criminal Code sections 99, 100, 101.
    Actually, gun owners also have to obey sections 86 through 105.
    Actually, there's the whole criminal code, provincial laws and regulations, municipal laws and regulations, and to some extent religious laws and regulations, ethical laws and regulations, professional laws and regulations, and familial rules and 'regulations'.



    At SECU, Solomon Friedman said he's currently defending clients for 101 Transfer Without Authority. Regardless of what the Liberals said during Bill C-71, clearly crown prosecutors think that you have to check.

    Bill C-71 will make it an offence for a firearm owner to transfer a firearm —meaning to give, sell, or barter—to another person without first
    obtaining a reference number from the registrar of firearms. Let me
    be clear: It is already a criminal offence to transfer a firearm to an
    individual who is not authorized to possess it.
    Section 101 of the Criminal Code prohibits that precise conduct. It
    is punishable by a maximum of five years' imprisonment. In fact, I
    have personally represented retailers who have been charged under
    the existing scheme for failing to check licence validity.
    -- Solomon Friedman, SECU, May 29 2018
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    That's one law.

    The seller also has to obey the others. e.g. Criminal Code sections 99, 100, 101.
    Actually, gun owners also have to obey sections 86 through 105.
    Actually, there's the whole criminal code, provincial laws and regulations, municipal laws and regulations, and to some extent religious laws and regulations, ethical laws and regulations, professional laws and regulations, and familial rules and 'regulations'.



    At SECU, Solomon Friedman said he's currently defending clients for 101 Transfer Without Authority. Regardless of what the Liberals said during Bill C-71, clearly crown prosecutors think that you have to check.

    Bill C-71 will make it an offence for a firearm owner to transfer a firearm —meaning to give, sell, or barter—to another person without first
    obtaining a reference number from the registrar of firearms. Let me
    be clear: It is already a criminal offence to transfer a firearm to an
    individual who is not authorized to possess it.
    Section 101 of the Criminal Code prohibits that precise conduct. It
    is punishable by a maximum of five years' imprisonment. In fact, I
    have personally represented retailers who have been charged under
    the existing scheme for failing to check licence validity.
    -- Solomon Friedman, SECU, May 29 2018
    When is the date of that screen-cap, it's been changed post C-42, pre C-71. Though, we're kinda in a no-mans-land right now as the relevant provision of C-71 have never been enacted while still being law..

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    Quote Originally Posted by x0ra View Post
    When is the date of that screen-cap, it's been changed post C-42, pre C-71. Though, we're kinda in a no-mans-land right now as the relevant provision of C-71 have never been enacted while still being law..
    What part of Bill C-42 are you thinking of?

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    When I sell a NR, I always ask to see the PAL, because I don't want to support the criminal possession of firearms. I don't believe that licensing is correct, proper or should be required. I do like that licensing allows us to be identifiable as one of the least offending demographics ( it does right?). I don't want to be the one responsible for making the MSM media correct about firearms owners generally.

    http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearm...rring-firearms

    "You do not need to register non-restricted firearms. That means you can transfer a non-restricted firearm without contacting the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). However, the transferor (seller, giver) must make sure that the transferee (buyer, recipient) has a valid PAL. Call the CFP at 1-800-731-4000 to confirm the validity of the transferee's licence before you transfer the firearm."
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    Quote Originally Posted by vykkagur View Post
    Too right! Only the guy won't be wearing a FOREIGN uniform....
    But most of his supporters are-
    "So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.." - George Orwell
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3MTA3 View Post
    When I sell a NR, I always ask to see the PAL, because I don't want to support the criminal possession of firearms. I don't believe that licensing is correct, proper or should be required. I do like that licensing allows us to be identifiable as one of the least offending demographics ( it does right?). I don't want to be the one responsible for making the MSM media correct about firearms owners generally.

    http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearm...rring-firearms

    "You do not need to register non-restricted firearms. That means you can transfer a non-restricted firearm without contacting the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP). However, the transferor (seller, giver) must make sure that the transferee (buyer, recipient) has a valid PAL. Call the CFP at 1-800-731-4000 to confirm the validity of the transferee's licence before you transfer the firearm."
    So sellers of non-restricted firearms did call that number to verify the buyers pal, however they did not keep records of the pal# or the date at which they called it in as they are not required to. How does the rcmp/cfo expect to prove otherwise?

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