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    National Post / Reuters Massive Miss on Texas Church Shooting

    Not sure if anyone noticed but yesterday the National Post published a Reuters wire story on the recent Texas church shooting. The story got some key facts spectacularly wrong, in a way that would clearly impact perceptions of the issue of guns in churches.

    The story reported that the shooter owned a gun range and had actually trained some of the church members before the shooting. This misrepresentation makes a great case for why legal gun owners are crazy and how the guns in church policy led to the shooting. The facts of course, are much different. It is actually the church's volunteer head of security who has his own gun range and he trained some of the other volunteers to shoot. Because of his training and the effort of one other member, the shooter was taken out in 6 seconds.

    I called out the National Post on this error yesterday and sure enough the story has been completely removed and replaced with another one that gets the facts right. There was no retraction, no apology. They just quietly replaced a story that was materially incorrect. Makes me wonder how many other stories skew the facts to support a certain narrative...
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    Never let the facts get in the way of the antis' disarmament agenda.
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    "...guns in churches..." The guy who shot the criminal was reported as being retired FBI. Not much reported about the criminal.

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    Well, one consolation is that they actually responded to your concern and replaced the story with a factually accurate one. The Toronto Star would never have done that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckbuster View Post
    Well, one consolation is that they actually responded to your concern and replaced the story with a factually accurate one. The Toronto Star would never have done that.
    They wouldn't know a fact if it $#!+ in their hair.


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    It's Reuters not NP that has the lefty agenda. Most NP staff writers are centre and centre-right. However their staff produced content was reduced several years ago and they rely on newswire articles from such bastions of leftyness such as Washington Post, Canadian Press and Reuters. This has made the National Post appear quite schizophrenic.
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    Want a good laugh? :
    Here's Reuters own "Trust Principles" from their website:

    Thomson Reuters is dedicated to upholding the Trust Principles and to preserving its independence, integrity, and freedom from bias in the gathering and dissemination of information and news.
    The Trust Principles are:

    1. That Reuters shall at no time pass into the hands of any one interest, group, or faction;
    2. That the integrity, independence, and freedom from bias of Thomson Reuters shall at all times be fully preserved;
    3. That Reuters shall supply unbiased and reliable news services to newspapers, news agencies, broadcasters, and other media subscribers and to businesses, governments, institutions, individuals, and others with whom Reuters has or may have contracts;
    4. That Thomson Reuters shall pay due regard to the many interests which it serves in addition to those of the media; and
    5. That no effort shall be spared to expand, develop, and adapt the news and other services and products of Thomson Reuters so as to maintain its leading position in the international news and information business.

    I'm thinking they may want to revisit the adherence to their principles.

    If you click on the still alive title that reads: "Gunman in Texas church had trained worshippers to shoot ... 1 day ago - (Reuters) - The gunman who opened fire in a Texas church on Sunday, killing two before dying from gunshot wounds, owned a shooting range ..." " now has the following:

    Story on assailant in Texas church training worshippers is withdrawn

    (Reuters) - The story of the assailant who shot people in a Texas church is wrong and is being withdrawn. A new version of the story will be published shortly. The parishioner who shot the gunman trained worshippers on a shooting range; it was not the assailant who trained parishioners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YVRguy View Post
    The story reported that the shooter owned a gun range and had actually trained some of the church members before the shooting. This misrepresentation makes a great case for why legal gun owners are crazy and how the guns in church policy led to the shooting. The facts of course, are much different. It is actually the church's volunteer head of security who has his own gun range and he trained some of the other volunteers to shoot. Because of his training and the effort of one other member, the shooter was taken out in 6 seconds.
    Your noun there is unclear.
    • "The shooter" could be the first shooter, the bad guy, Keith Thomas Kinnunen. Didn't own a gun range, didn't train any of the volunteers. bad drug habit and lost touch with reality. "We knew he was crazy but not like this"
    • "The shooter" could be the last shooter, the good guy, Jack Wilson. Did own a gun range, did train some other CCWers present.


    Did Reuters make the same noun unclear?

    Quote Originally Posted by GTW View Post
    (Reuters) - The story of the assailant who shot people in a Texas church is wrong and is being withdrawn. A new version of the story will be published shortly. The parishioner who shot the gunman trained worshippers on a shooting range; it was not the assailant who trained parishioners.
    Q: Did Reuters make the same noun unclear?
    A: Apparently not. They botched it.

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    The terms used can be confusing to most people. Gunman and Shooter are generally seen as a person with a gun, doing something criminal, so calling Wilson a shooter makes people think he's a bad guy too.

    You can see in other stories that Willson is generalized as a security member that stoped/kill the shooter or as a hero.

    News organizations should agree to a certain set of names for these situations so that there is no confusion of who they are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lordburu View Post
    The terms used can be confusing to most people. Gunman and Shooter are generally seen as a person with a gun, doing something criminal, so calling Wilson a shooter makes people think he's a bad guy too.

    You can see in other stories that Willson is generalized as a security member that stoped/kill the shooter or as a hero.

    News organizations should agree to a certain set of names for these situations so that there is no confusion of who they are talking about.
    That would never do. How would they confuse the readers and skew a story to their particular slant if they did not have confusion to lean on? They must have plausible deniability in case they are called out.
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