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    ... or we could wait less than 2 years until our doors are hanging from their frames in splinters like High River
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    It likely harder to get the truth in a country like Mexico than in Canada, and some of the guns confiscated here have multiple explanations as to their sourcing.

    Way too much to read about Mexico and gun smuggling, with 105 information sources referenced:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggl...ms_into_Mexico

    The 70% number I had read about before was only for those ones traced. There are never going to be any solid stats for this question, which will become obvious if you read the article linked above.

    First time I've heard of coerced U.S. straw purchaser.

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    labradort

    some quotes from your link..

    If ATF or Mexican police does not collect tracing information quickly, it becomes unavailable.[34] In accordance with Mexican law, all guns seized by the Mexican government must be surrendered to the Mexican Army within 48 hours.
    ..
    In 2009, Mexico reported that they held 305,424 confiscated firearms, but submitted data of only 69,808 recovered firearms to the ATF for tracing between 2007 and 2009.
    ..
    The Mexican military recently reported nearly 9,000 police weapons "missing." A 2009 U.S. State Department audit showed 26 percent of guns sold legally to governments in Mexico and Central America were diverted to the wrong hands
    -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggl...ms_into_Mexico

    A link from that link
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2009...ymies-tracing/
    is an article that has several parts that are just unbelievable,
    but one thing that isn't said is that in Canada confiscated firearms are destroyed due to a regulation, whereas in Mexico confiscated firearms are stored in warehouses the size of walmarts.

    This one
    "Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth"
    https://worldview.stratfor.com/artic...0-percent-myth
    also from your wiki link
    is similar to what I had posted above. Although they say that lots of guns, parts, and ammo are coming from China now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    labradort

    some quotes from your link..

    If ATF or Mexican police does not collect tracing information quickly, it becomes unavailable.[34] In accordance with Mexican law, all guns seized by the Mexican government must be surrendered to the Mexican Army within 48 hours.
    ..
    In 2009, Mexico reported that they held 305,424 confiscated firearms, but submitted data of only 69,808 recovered firearms to the ATF for tracing between 2007 and 2009.
    ..
    The Mexican military recently reported nearly 9,000 police weapons "missing." A 2009 U.S. State Department audit showed 26 percent of guns sold legally to governments in Mexico and Central America were diverted to the wrong hands
    -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggl...ms_into_Mexico

    A link from that link
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2009...ymies-tracing/
    is an article that has several parts that are just unbelievable,
    but one thing that isn't said is that in Canada confiscated firearms are destroyed due to a regulation, whereas in Mexico confiscated firearms are stored in warehouses the size of walmarts.

    This one
    "Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth"
    https://worldview.stratfor.com/artic...0-percent-myth
    also from your wiki link
    is similar to what I had posted above. Although they say that lots of guns, parts, and ammo are coming from China now.
    Am I supposed to be surprised? You've cherry picked a wikipedia page. Bravo. One could easily pick the other cherries from it, but I'm not that dumb.

    105 information sources, many contradictory. It's a plaid suit but today it will be blue.

    BTW, it's not my link. It's the Internet's. Feel free to add your own information and back them up with source links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labradort View Post
    You've cherry picked a wikipedia page.
    I was hoping for percentages. I went looking for things that might show percentages. Didn't find them.
    Found a couple hints.

    Quote Originally Posted by labradort View Post
    It's a plaid suit
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labradort View Post
    It likely harder to get the truth in a country like Mexico than in Canada, and some of the guns confiscated here have multiple explanations as to their sourcing.

    Way too much to read about Mexico and gun smuggling, with 105 information sources referenced:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggl...ms_into_Mexico

    The 70% number I had read about before was only for those ones traced. There are never going to be any solid stats for this question, which will become obvious if you read the article linked above.

    First time I've heard of coerced U.S. straw purchaser.
    It is likely harder in mexico.

    In Canada, it can be utterly impossible, with the information readily available to the powers that be.

    First time I've heard of coerced U.S. straw purchaser.
    Doesn't mean that it is the first.


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