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    Quote Originally Posted by labradort View Post
    It's a very tight system, and yet an estimated 75% of firearms are smuggled in from the USA.
    Mexico gets most of its smuggled weapons from South America.
    Some organized crime weapons are provided by assorted government corruption.
    Less than 17% of the Mexican crime weapons are from the USA (which is completely different than Canada).

    Beware the fake news story from years ago where Obama said "More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States."
    The correct statement is "90 percent of the firearms recovered in Mexico and which are then successfully traced by the BATFE, were determined to have originated from various sources within the continental U.S." which is a statistic that follows pre-tracing by Mexican police by firearm make. (e.g. If it's a Remington, they ask the BATFE to trace it, and indeed ultimately most Remingtons come from the USA. Whereas if it's a full auto AK74 they don't ask the BATFE to trace it, because it didn't come from the USA, it came from the millions of guns Russia gave to potentially socialist dictatorships in the southern continent during the cold war). Thus 90% is not a statement about the number of guns from USA in mexico, but rather a statement about how good Mexican police are at pre-tracing by firearm make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    Mexico gets most of its smuggled weapons from South America.
    Some organized crime weapons are provided by assorted government corruption.
    Less than 17% of the Mexican crime weapons are from the USA (which is completely different than Canada).

    Beware the fake news story from years ago where Obama said "More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States."
    The correct statement is "90 percent of the firearms recovered in Mexico and which are then successfully traced by the BATFE, were determined to have originated from various sources within the continental U.S." which is a statistic that follows pre-tracing by Mexican police by firearm make. (e.g. If it's a Remington, they ask the BATFE to trace it, and indeed ultimately most Remingtons come from the USA. Whereas if it's a full auto AK74 they don't ask the BATFE to trace it, because it didn't come from the USA, it came from the millions of guns Russia gave to potentially socialist dictatorships in the southern continent during the cold war). Thus 90% is not a statement about the number of guns from USA in mexico, but rather a statement about how good Mexican police are at pre-tracing by firearm make.
    Yes, Mexico has "second amendment" but it's botched badly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suputin View Post
    So liberal voters then? Because in 34 years of owning firearms in Canada I have never come across anyone I would describe as "dangerous and hate filled" .... but in the last few years the leftists have been the very embodiment of "dangerous and hate filled"
    I wonder what party the shooter at NS voted for...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnutt View Post
    Yes, Mexico has "second amendment" but it's botched badly...
    Not botched, simply violated.

    As is the right to arms of every person on this planet.

    Violated on the false premise that some restriction or prohibition, placed on the responsible, will affect the actions of the irresponsible.
    To show that men can travel to the moon and return, use the American experience.

    To show that public safety isnít hurt by responsible individuals carrying to protect life, use the American experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    Mexico gets most of its smuggled weapons from South America.
    Some organized crime weapons are provided by assorted government corruption.
    Less than 17% of the Mexican crime weapons are from the USA (which is completely different than Canada).

    Beware the fake news story from years ago where Obama said "More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States."
    The correct statement is "90 percent of the firearms recovered in Mexico and which are then successfully traced by the BATFE, were determined to have originated from various sources within the continental U.S." which is a statistic that follows pre-tracing by Mexican police by firearm make. (e.g. If it's a Remington, they ask the BATFE to trace it, and indeed ultimately most Remingtons come from the USA. Whereas if it's a full auto AK74 they don't ask the BATFE to trace it, because it didn't come from the USA, it came from the millions of guns Russia gave to potentially socialist dictatorships in the southern continent during the cold war). Thus 90% is not a statement about the number of guns from USA in mexico, but rather a statement about how good Mexican police are at pre-tracing by firearm make.
    There are dozens of sources out there which document it coming from the United States.

    Here's one from Mexico news source : https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/arm...ss-the-border/

    The source of information there is the army. They are talking about specific routes the firearms take, not the manufacturing origins.

    Are they biased too?

    It stands to reason that anyone figuring out how to do this to enter Canada would do the same for southern border - methods like hiding them in gas tanks, etc.

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    Yeah. And we know we can completely rely on the integrity of the mexican army or any thing to do with the mexican government.


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    Oh, btw, yes they are biased. Mexico has a high rate of journalistic fatalities, disappearances, etc. and voluminous corruption and abuse, that is pervasive. It's not just the cartels.

    PLUS, Mexico gets a lot of aid from the US and some of the reason they get it is to fund the military.

    If the newspaper printed the story with a photo op for the chief of defense in his camos (because he takes part in arms tracing, right?), then it's an approved article. Truth is not necessary.

    They probably hump guns through the jungle, not on the few crappy roads.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnutt View Post
    "THE HUMAN COST OF GUNS
    While Canada has a much lower rate of firearm death and injury than the USA, it has a much higher rate than the UK, Australia and Japan. We are fourth in the rate of firearm death among 22 industrialized OECD countries.
    And there have been troubling trends in recent years: From 2013 to 2016, criminal incidents involving firearms were up 30%, gun homicides increased 60% and intimate partner and gender-based violence involving the use of a firearm was also up by one-third. And after decades of decline, rates of firearm suicides have increased year over year since 2012. We need to address the root causes of violence. We need strong responses from health care and justice systems. But we also need to reduce the chances that dangerous, hate filled people will get access to guns." http://guncontrol.ca/

    Lies lies lies...and people believe this shyte???
    ... of course they do because they only get to hear one side of the debate ... the anti-gun side
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    Quote Originally Posted by labradort View Post
    There are dozens of sources out there which document it coming from the United States.
    Certainly there are guns coming from the USA into Mexico.
    The article you found shows that. Fast & Furious was a famous example.

    But in terms of percentages?
    My information was from a few years back.
    Is there something more recent that talks about
    • % from south america into Mexico
    • % from Mexican government sources (corrupt army, corrupt police, etc)
    • % from USA
    • % from other countries
    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    ... of course they do because they only get to hear one side of the debate ... the anti-gun side
    And who is going to present the "other side"? This should be an all-out effort not just waiting on the orgs. to do it.
    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch Benjamin Franklin

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