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    Question 25-06 vs 30-06

    I have been doing some reading on google. I'm trying to figure out why people say 30-06 is better for a bear gun rather than the 25-06 when from my understanding the 25-06 is a necked down version of the 30-06. Did they kneck it down to be better for the smaller game? Does the kneck down make that huge of a difference? Sorry in advance as I'm new to all this.

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    Compare the balistic performance Energy (foot/pound and joules) at
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.25-06_Remington
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield

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    The 25 is faster and flatter shooting by virtue of the smaller, lighter bullets and the similar case capacity (powder). It’s a very versatile deer and varmint cartridge, and a well constructed bullet of around 120 grains will do well on black bear.

    The 30.06 is generally used with bullets from about 150 grains to around 220 grains. If you believe bigger is better, it’s more effective. If you believe speed kills, the 25.06 is. The bear probably can’t tell the difference.
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    I wonder where a lowly .270 Win fits in?

    Is it better than a .25-06 or just as good as a .30-06?

    A .270 Win runs factory bullets from 90gr up to 160 gr. with some long Woodleigh 180 gr bullets also available for hand-loading.

    Lots of varmints up to bear and moose shot and taken successfully and regularly with the .270 Win.
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    Are you shooting Brown bear or Black bear? If you are shooting Black bear, it's like Kennymo says, the bear probably won't notice the difference for the most part.
    If you're shooting Brown bear, there is truth to the saying "Bigger is better". However, speed causes tremendous trauma through the wound channel, significantly larger than the projectile itself.
    In short, either caliber would be more than adequate for Black bear, but I would ere on the side of caution and go big on a Brown bear.

    .308 is also a very versatile round and very capable for any species in North America, as are many other calibers.
    If I was making a new purchase for hunting Black bear from a stand, I would look at a .44 rem mag lever gun, because I like the idea of having a rifle and revolver share ammo.
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    A boat with a hole in it will sink.
    A boat with a bigger hole in it will sink faster.
    A boat with several holes in it will also sink faster.
    Pretty good point if the game is dangerous.
    Game shot at a distance is not dangerous.

    I have shot coyotes, deer and moose with a 25-06, the bigger animals tends to need more ammunition.

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    There is no "VS". Charlie Newton first necked down a .30-06 in 1912. It was a 'wildcat' until 1969 when Remington claimed it.
    The .25 will do anything the .30 will do with slightly less recoil. There's no "probably" about Yogi not knowing the difference.
    "...Brown bear or Black bear..." Doesn't really matter. Both have been killed with the .25 and .30 with no fuss. There are some who will tell you the .30-06 isn't enough for Brownies. Nonsense, of course.
    "...where a lowly .270 Win fits in..." Pretty much the same as the .25, but it's a necked down .30-03. I think it won the .25 vs .27 '06 marketing Remington vs Winchester battle just like the .243 won the marketing fight with the .244 Rem.

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    Having become a recent convert to the 25-06, I would say get it and enjoy it.
    Out of (I think) 8 deer, one ran about 30 yards, all the others dropped where they were.

    75 or 87 grain bullets for little varminty creatures, 100, 110, 117, 120 grain bullets for bigger stuff.
    The lower recoil makes it easier to shoot well, and with bonded or all-copper bullets it will penetrate deeply into anything shy of a grizzly.
    If I were to go grizzly hunting, I wouldn't take a 25 or 30-06 anyways.

    I'm a fan of the 30-06, but I much prefer the 25-06 or 7mmExpress/280.
    You're not going to go wrong with either.
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    I just want to stop for a moment and thank for all the comments. I really appreciate the viewpoints.

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    I was looking in a few of my loading manuals and they all show the .270 Win outperforming the .25-06 in the same bullet weights (90-130 grs) by around or up to 200 fps.

    The .25-06 only maybe slightly beats the .270 if you want to use very light weight and easily wind effected bullets (those under 80 gr) for small varmint (game) exploding.

    The .270 Win really shines and handily out does the .25-06 when using heavier weight and with much better SD and BC bullets that are not available with the .25-06, (140gr and over) for larger game.

    Most manuals show a max load 120gr bullet from .25-06 doing about 3050fps while a .270 Win will push out a 120gr bullet at about 3250fps and if you want you can even safely push a 140 gr .277 out of a .270 Win at 3050fps.

    A 90gr .277 bullet out of a .270 is able to be pushed along at almost 3700fps while the same weight bullet from a .25-06 is only able to muster around 3500fps. You need to drop down to a .257 75gr bullet from a .25-06 to get the same speed.

    The .30-06 only really beats the .270 Win when the need arises for using over 180gr and heavier bullets for very large or dangerous game at close range.
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