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    Relationship Ownership, Gun and Drug Crimes

    Aug 10, 2019

    The U.S. Department of Justice did a study

    that confirms what we lawful gun owners already know: Lawful, mentored access to firearms is protective for inner-city youth, diverting them out of criminality and into positive competitive pursuits.

    Compared to kids who had illegal access to guns and even those who had no access, these kids had minimal involvement in gun crime.

    Responsible firearms ownership is not the problem. Criminals and gang members who have zero respect for human life are the problem. As long as the misdirected laws focus on Canada’s safest cultural group and the inanimate objects criminals abuse, they will fail to have the desired effect of violence reduction.

    More needs to be done to divert at-risk youth from gang activity and criminal ways.

    -- Dr. Mike Ackermann, Sherbrooke


    In the above graph, 0% for boys of gun owners, 1% for boys of non-gun non-gang.
    If there were fewer gun owners, then more would move from the 0% to the 1%, and you'd get more crime.

    In England, they banned several long guns and for the next decade as those boys grew up, they had more long gun crime.
    In England, they banned several pistols and for the next decade as those boys grew up, they had more pistol crime.
    These numbers didn't go down until they hired more police to compensate.

    Randy Eaton "The Sacred Hunt", Youth Recidivism Hunting
    DATE: 2001.02.23


    Advocacy for Game-Hunting as Therapy for Troubled Youth


    PRINGLE: Many people find hunting controversial. The man sitting
    across from me -- Randy Eaton -- says that hunting is not only good
    for young boys -- young girls, too -- but that it can help them hugely
    in terms of rehabilitation -- young offenders. He is the author of a
    number of books, made a number of documentaries about the wild and the
    outdoors. One of his books is called "The Sacred Hunt". And he's with
    us now.


    EATON: Hi.

    PRINGLE: So, why is it you think, what proof do you have, that hunting
    helps rehabilitate young offenders? Because this is the program you've
    been invited to speak here about.

    EATON: Let me preface it, Valerie, by saying that we have a story from
    Greece which I think sets the stage. It's about Narcissus. When
    somebody is very stuck on themselves, very egotistical, we say they're
    narcissistic. Narcissus actually went out with his hunting companions
    and he separated from them. He went over to look in this pond and he
    saw how beautiful he was and he fell in love with himself. That's
    where the term narcissistic comes from. He fell in love with himself.

    The key in this myth is to understand that he left his hunting
    companions. He turned away from nature, so to speak, from his own
    instinct as a young man to go hunting. And instead he got stuck in his

    And that's where civilized human beings find themselves today. There's
    another whole set of mythology called the Iron John myths in which the
    young boy looks into the same pond, the magical pond, but he's got the
    wild man behind him as a mentor. He doesn't fall in love with himself,
    he falls in love with nature. And he discovers that his life is
    dependent upon nature. And he also becomes motivated to fiercely
    protect nature.

    PRINGLE: But, you know, and you've heard these arguments -- people
    have been arguing with you about this for a long time -- to say, "What
    is it about hunting per se?" Yes, take groups of kids at risk out in
    the wild, do team-building, do self-esteem-building, work with them,
    spend time with them, do Outward Bound challenges with them, do lots
    of things with them. Why do they have to kill animals? Why does that
    make it a more significant experience for them, in your opinion?

    EATON: Because when a young person takes the life of an animal that
    feeds him he then has respect for living things. He knows he's a part
    of the food chain. And for him the food chain becomes a love
    chain. He's now a part of something greater than himself. He's become
    married to nature and the process of actually taking his food from

    We all kill in order to live, believe it or not. We may not actively
    participate in it but we take life. Life dies so that we might
    live. Most of us are very removed from that.

    PRINGLE: And it's pretty sanitized, yeah. It's got Saran wrap on it.

    EATON: Exactly. We have no relationship or connection with the actual
    source of our food.

    So when one of these young, troubled kids get out in the wilderness in
    one of these subsistence hunting programs and he feeds himself by what
    he can gather from the earth or by whatever he hunts, he has an
    experience which is life-changing and develops a sense of even
    reverence for all living things, including even social authority.

    So they come back from this experience really being transformed.

    PRINGLE: And you've seen this?

    EATON: Yes, there's a project that's gone on for 13 years in Southern
    Idaho in the wilderness. And they have an 85-percent success
    rate. These boys go out with nothing but a pocket knife, no food
    whatsoever. That's what made this project work, is these kids had to
    hunt reptiles, mice, maybe something as large as a marmot just to eat.

    PRINGLE: Just boys? Does it work for girls?

    EATON: Yes, it does. It works for girls too but most girls haven't
    been involved in it. The delinquency programs have largely been aimed
    at boys. However, that probably should shift because Helen Smith, a
    leader on violence and kids, now says that one- fourth of the
    homicides generated by juveniles are done by girls.

    PRINGLE: Now, we talk to people at Youth Services who say, well, I
    concede the action, the team-building, the working together. I can't
    see why shooting something actually is an act that enhances and helps
    these kids. Certainly the gun-control people think, especially with
    violent kids, putting guns in their hands and giving them targets may
    not be such a swell idea.

    EATON: Well, I understand that they're saying, but they don't
    understand what happens when you take the life of an animal that feeds
    you. You shoot an animal, you wound it, you see it die: you know that
    you killed it. And that's a very sobering experience.

    PRINGLE: Not like a video game.

    EATON: It's not a video game at all, that's precisely the
    difference. You take the life of an animal and you're far less likely
    to ever even consider the possibility of aiming a dangerous weapon at
    a human being. You know the consequences of your actions in a hurry.

    PRINGLE: Well, the fact is, does the evidence really show that?

    EATON: Yes, it really does. Studies done by the FBI and the BATF, for
    example, in the United States indicate that not one felonious, violent
    crime has ever been committed by a juvenile with a legally acquired
    firearm. In other words, kids who have legally- acquired guns don't
    commit crimes. And what do they have those guns for? They have them to
    shoot or to hunt.

    PRINGLE: Are you recommending this for all troubled youth?

    EATON: Oh, I'm absolutely across-the-board in favour of it. It teaches
    responsibility, it teaches self-control. It engenders
    respect. Everything we want our young people to acquire that we're not
    now providing them, they come through hunting. It's the traditional
    way in which we initiate young men into adulthood. And it's still the
    best. Still the most potent.

    PRINGLE: The world hasn't changed enough that we say we do it in other

    EATON: That's right, because they're born with that instinct. So we
    need to build on that instinct, recognize it, mentor it properly.

    PRINGLE: Can't do it through sports? Can't do it through any kind of

    EATON: No.

    PRINGLE: Photography?

    EATON: No. No, you see, the difference is that team sports can teach
    you cooperation, they can teach you there's something greater than
    yourself. They cannot marry you to nature, however, nor motivate you
    to protect it. And that's what we need in this world that's troubled
    very much by our environmental pollution and so on.

    PRINGLE: Thank you very much.

    EATON: Thank you.

    Randall Eaton, Author, The Sacred Hunt

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    Boys are not allowed to own firearms either here or Stateside. One must be an adult to own a firearm. The operative word being 'own'. A Minor's Licence doesn't let you own a firearm.
    However, it is well known(and we've been telling the assorted anti-firearm ownership types for eons) that kids who shoot, also either here or Stateside, do not commit crimes, belong to gangs or use or sell drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice View Post
    Boys are not allowed to own firearms either here or Stateside. One must be an adult to own a firearm. The operative word being 'own'. A Minor's Licence doesn't let you own a firearm.
    However, it is well known(and we've been telling the assorted anti-firearm ownership types for eons) that kids who shoot, also either here or Stateside, do not commit crimes, belong to gangs or use or sell drugs.
    Again you are not correct as MT has a different opinion than you do and of course there are federal laws that MAY enter the possession question. You blanket statements do nothing to reflect the actual law.

    Last updated November 15, 2019.
    Montana imposes no specific age restrictions on the purchase or possession of firearms, though Montana’s child access prevention law generally prohibits a parent, guardian, or other person having charge or custody of a minor child under age 14 from allowing the child to carry or use in public any firearms.

    Here is ND law. There is no minimum age to possess rifles and shotguns in North Dakota.3 North Dakota also does not penalize sales or transfers of long guns to minors. As in MT there are restrictions on handguns.

    There are a multitude of laws in regard to purchasing/possessing firearms depending on the state you reside in HOWEVER YOUR BLANKET STATEMENT ON POSSESSION/OWNING IS WRONG!

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