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    Gun owners firing back

    February 13, 2020
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    Canada appears to have finally found its disruptive moment. Petition E-2341, which calls upon “the Government of Canada to put any new firearms laws, bans, buyback programs or changes to licensing before the House of Commons to be debated,” has reached 160,000 at the time of writing - more than any other petition in the history of our country. The results also show a clear contrast regionally, with the most signatures coming from BC, Alberta, and Ontario.

    The irony is palpable, especially as the anti-gun petition, calling for the ban of AR style weapons as well as handguns has failed to break 30,000 signatures. Canada, long ruled by the Pearson-Trudeau consensus of post-1967, appears not to be the unarmed, overly polite society we’ve been caricatured as. Apparently, people of this dominion will not stand for an out of touch government that seeks to confiscate their property when they have done nothing to deserve it.

    It bears repeating not a shred of gun policy in this country has ever saved a life. Much of it has successfully destroyed small businesses that sell or service guns, or made criminals out of law-abiding owners who fall prey to laws against self-defence as well as paper crimes. But the gangs still run free with illegally obtained firearms. Whatever one thinks of this issue, I can promise you that Canadian gun owners are not giving up their weapons without a serious fight.

    Black rifles might look scary to some, but are no more dangerous than other weapons. The idea that they are high-powered is also patently ridiculous: AR-10’s shoot .308 or 7.62mm NATO, a commonly used hunting and target round that is by no means the most powerful; the AR-15 shoots .223 or 5.56mm NATO, a round originally based on the .22LR. Certainly, these are rifles that have been used in warfare by the military - but so were Grampa’s Lee-Enfields.

    The term “assault style” is nonsense. Indeed, the AR stands for “Armalite,” the company that first produced these rifles. Why people buy these over those with traditional wooden stocks is the same reason you buy anything new: the convenience of customizability and ergonomics. Any anti-gun advocate, once sat down and shown how much can be done to make AR’s lighter, more accurate, easier to handle, could not honestly dismiss their superiority to older platforms.

    There are deep political ramifications to this episode. First, as the Conservative Party of Canada seeks a new leader, those hoping to win the gun-vote must make their stance clear by word, deed, and policy. There is no doubt that gun policy has clear supporters in this country - anyone who wishes to take the helm in a single ballot will have to strongly declare their position.

    Second, the Liberals vastly underestimated the resentment such flagrant disregard for private property would inspire. Guns cost incredible amounts of money because they are tools built and fitted together with precision. If there is not a clear about-face, with Justin Trudeau all but apologizing to lawful gun owners, there will be a change in the electoral map of this country.

    Most importantly though, while the world churns with populist movements of every stripe and counter-movements of consensus based market neoliberalism or neoconservative foreign interference, Canada appears to have found an entirely principled stance from which to fight back: we, the gun owners of Canada, on behalf of all Canadians, will not be made criminals by fiat. If our rights are to be amended, let them be put to debate in the people’s house: Parliament.

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    160K out of well over 2 million gun owners is pathetic and counterproductive in that it actually encourages the Liberals.
    Maybe it’ll take the popo kicking doors to create a sense of urgency about the upcoming gun grab.
    Apathy on steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    160K out of well over 2 million gun owners is pathetic and counterproductive in that it actually encourages the Liberals.
    Maybe it’ll take the popo kicking doors to create a sense of urgency about the upcoming gun grab.
    Apathy on steroids.
    So what do you suggest we do about that situation? I am always open to suggestions! FWIW- I mailed well over 100 letters, most unique to Turdpoo and Billy-Club (I talked to and emailed lots of people to let them know about the petition, only a few had even heard about it- most supported it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    160K out of well over 2 million gun owners is pathetic and counterproductive in that it actually encourages the Liberals.
    Maybe it’ll take the popo kicking doors to create a sense of urgency about the upcoming gun grab.
    Apathy on steroids.
    Obviously , you have never been involved in politics , or are aware of the current situation within the Liberal Party . Right now , there is considerable push back from rural Liberal MPs who are very concerned about losing their ridings over this current gun ban push . If you think that the biggest petition in Canadian history is actually encouraging more gun control , then you certainly very poorly informed as to what is actually happening in Ottawa right now .
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    Like I said before many in the gun community are older, don't do the internet forums, many don't even have the internet!! If they don't visit their guns shops on a regular basis they have no clue what is going on. So all things considered that is pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    160K out of well over 2 million gun owners is pathetic and counterproductive in that it actually encourages the Liberals.
    Maybe it’ll take the popo kicking doors to create a sense of urgency about the upcoming gun grab.
    Apathy on steroids.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunexpert007 View Post
    Obviously , you have never been involved in politics , or are aware of the current situation within the Liberal Party . Right now , there is considerable push back from rural Liberal MPs who are very concerned about losing their ridings over this current gun ban push . If you think that the biggest petition in Canadian history is actually encouraging more gun control , then you certainly very poorly informed as to what is actually happening in Ottawa right now .
    And given his prolific posting, you would think he’d be able to quote something closer to the correct current petition than what’s posted in the article. Another sign of how he’s here to do his thing and not even care or be concerned about discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    160K out of well over 2 million gun owners is pathetic and counterproductive in that it actually encourages the Liberals.
    Maybe it’ll take the popo kicking doors to create a sense of urgency about the upcoming gun grab.
    Apathy on steroids.
    Complaining about the numbers without increasing them is another form of apathy. I'm not talking 5 0r 10 names.


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    160,000 plus well over 45,000 that will not be counted because the second part of the petition was not completed, still, it's well over 200,000 signatures or roughly 1 in 8, not great but considerably better than I ever thought possible judging by previous petition efforts. If everyone that signed also sent at least one letter, JT has a big pile of paper before him!
    We were told he wasn't ready, now we know he will never be!
    Rewarding 4 years of incompetence and corruption with 4 more years, says a lot about our electorate.

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    172673 signatures as of this minute.
    Don't blame me, I didn't vote for that clown. Oct 20, '15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    160K out of well over 2 million gun owners is pathetic and counterproductive in that it actually encourages the Liberals.
    Maybe it’ll take the popo kicking doors to create a sense of urgency about the upcoming gun grab.
    Apathy on steroids.
    Yo know what encourages gun bans?

    People who sell off all their guns in response to rumours of gun bans, thus giving the govt EXACTLY what they want.

    Those gun owners may be apathetic in response to a petition, but at least they continue to be gun owners.

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