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    Counter-protesters demolish rail blockade

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    A group of around a dozen counter-protesters tore down a rail blockade southeast of St. Albert.
    Early Wednesday morning, a group of protesters set up a camp near the Winterburn Industrial Area close to Acheson to show solidarity with the Wet’suwet’en blockades taking place in B.C.
    The camp set up early in the morning and dozens of protesters blocked the rail tracks with a car and wooden pallets that read, "No consent" and "Reconciliation is dead.” A car also blocked the tracks.
    Protesters let vehicle traffic through but early in the morning protesters said a train had approached the tracks and one of the protesters laid down on the tracks to stop the passing of the train.
    One man, who went by the pseudonym Poundmaker, said they were standing in solidarity with the Wet’suwet’en protests.
    “These blockades could be solved so easily but I think we are just going to see the government talk, talk, talk and then just raid our territories again.”
    Poundmaker said the only thing that will stop the blockades is Coastal GasLink and RCMP removal from Wet’suwet’en territory.
    Counter-protest
    During the noon hour counter-protesters gathered and attempted to tear down the camp and push past the protest. They tried to push past protesters into their camps, take down the pallets and rolled away garbage cans next to the camp.
    The counter-protesters backed a truck up next to the camp and started trying to load parts of the camp into the truck.

    An older woman, Arlene Seegerts, hopped into the back of the truck with another protester trying to pry their items back from the men.
    As the counter-protest group grew in size, they became more vocal and bold.
    “Your violence is not welcome here,” protester Michael James told the counter-protesters.
    The men shouted at the protesters telling them to get jobs and said their camp looked like litter and they were just cleaning it up.
    “You liberal paid friggin' protesters can go away,” a counter-protester shouted.
    James said he was standing with the First Nation people to make sure their human rights aren’t being abused.
    “This is a peaceful protest and we're exercising our democratic right (which) is a right to protest in this country,” James said.
    “We just want people to have a dialogue. You don't need violence. You guys, you can see the violence is coming at us. It's not something that we're bringing,” James said.
    James noted he was also brought out because of his concerns over the climate crisis.
    Seegerts said the Wet’suwet’en people are standing up for the rights of all Indigenous people to live peacefully in their territories.
    "If those rights go, everybody's rights go. There won't be an Indigenous person here to claim to have any rights if the government takes them," Seegerts said.
    "Yes, it is about the pipeline but that's not the issue. The issue is a violation of Indigenous rights to live on their own lands and their own territories, the right to free, prior and informed consent of what comes on to those lands and what doesn't."
    As drivers passed the camp, many told them they are blocking farmers from getting their grain out and one man told the protesters to “drop dead.”
    As the counter-protesters pushed on, some of the protesters shouted back and a couple of people tried to wrestle their items back, but the majority formed a human chain and began singing the Strong Woman song.

    As the crowd was singing, a process server arrived and dropped off a court injunction at the feet of everyone forming a human chain.
    With the counter-protesters becoming increasingly aggressive and a court injunction being served, the protesters decided they needed to pack up their camp.
    “The violence that these counter protesters are bringing, we're not comfortable with. We are peaceful protesters,” James said.
    While the protesters were preparing to leave, the counter-protesters continued to tear down their camp, filling up a trailer behind a truck.
    Court injunction
    On Wednesday afternoon, Court of Queen’s Bench Justice Paul Belzil ruled in favour of CN and granted an emergency injunction to the rail line. The injunction will apply province-wide for 30 days, and police can be called to serve and enforce that order.
    A lawyer for CN told the court that eastbound and westbound cars carrying perishables, industrial products and flammables were stopped, which would have a “severe” impact on the Canadian economy.
    Another lawyer said the blockade is creating a serious safety issue.
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    Right on !!!!

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    I'm leaning towards : they have a right to protest, but they don't have a right to protest there.

    Mine is not a new idea. I've seen it enforced in lots of places these recent decades.
    The right to protest, is strongest in "traditional public forums" (streets, sidewalks, parks, very public locations such as the plazas in front of government). A railway track is neither a traditional public forum, nor is it a safe place for a public meeting. Private property, is subject to the rules of the owners of the property, and they can have you arrested for trespassing if you do not leave. Trespassing trumps the right of protest. Also, you remain free to protest at any of the "traditional public forums", thus the right is not quashed -- but merely moved to a safer location.
    It is also a rule that picketing must be done in an orderly, non-disruptive fashion (employees can pass by, and entrances to buildings are not blocked).
    Simply put, if you are not disrupting anyone, then clearly your free speech rights should not be interfered with by the government -- but if you are, then you are interfering with the rights of others. Here the harm is against millions of Canadians.

    In Canada, the charter guarantees your right to peaceful assembly. Not to breach the peace. Not to be disruptive.

    At the G20 in Toronto, protesters protested in the streets, which are a "traditional public forum". They were kettled, and/or arrested wholesale.

    [Protesting] which breaches the criminal law or one of the specific torts like trespass, nuisance, intimidation, defamation or misrepresentation, will be impermissible, regardless of where it occurs.
    -- Supreme Court of Canada, 2002, https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/sc.../1945/index.do

    In 2011, the Sobey's grocery chain picketers blocked deliveries. The Ontario Supreme Court said that an employer may have to endure a reasonable delay. Trucks carrying perishable goods were blocked. And both sides argued if 8 hours was reasonable or not.
    With the Rail protests, we're talking about shutting down half the country's rail service, $850 million in goods a day, for weeks. That's more than 8 hours.
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    “The violence that these counter protesters are bringing, we're not comfortable with. We are peaceful protesters,” James said.
    I'd say you're quite lucky that some disgruntled CN employee that has been laid off hasn't decided to try some long range shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rory McCanuck View Post
    I'd say you're quite lucky that some disgruntled CN employee that has been laid off hasn't decided to try some long range shooting.
    Forget the CN employees. We've got oil patch and coal guys here who havent worked in a few years and theyve lost everything including their homes and families. Now these idiot "protesters" want to screw up the economy even more for everyone ? Those are the guys who will likely put lead in the air first. You know how many long range shooters there are across the prairies who find 1000 meter+ shots fairly easy and routine ? A hell of a lot more than you think. I hope it doesnt ever get any worse than fists and 2x4s, but the potential is definitely there.
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    "Yes, it is about the pipeline but that's not the issue. The issue is a violation of Indigenous rights to live on their own lands and their own territories, the right to free, prior and informed consent of what comes on to those lands and what doesn't."
    Lots of special in that one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rory McCanuck View Post
    I'd say you're quite lucky that some disgruntled CN employee that has been laid off hasn't decided to try some long range shooting.
    Or that the train actually stopped before running over the guy lying down. Those things take a bit, even from a walking speed. CN employees may start getting bolder at chicken as well. Send a couple snowplough engines out in front of the main trains...

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    I don't care what tactics may be used to clean up our country's railroad crossings, but whatever they are, I really hope they don't involve firearms. Sourpuss Bill Bliar would be all over that.

    So far though, it looks like all it takes is a team of garbage men to get them to move on from protesting their entitlement...er...rights...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksmithden View Post
    Right on !!!!

    Peter MacKay Deletes Blockades Tweet That Spurred Accusations He Backs Vigilantism
    -- https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/polit...sm/ar-BB10d0t3

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