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    Canada's protracted fighter jet procurement race hits new delay

    Pushed back again, and this from the PM and Lieberal Government who promised to never buy the F-35 for Canada during the 2015 election.

    I think they are just stalling in the hope that when the F-35 finally wins they hope most Canadians will have forgotten their often said BS promise.




    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN20J23V


    Canada's protracted fighter jet procurement race hits new delay


    FEBRUARY 25, 2020 / 11:11 AM / A DAY AGO


    OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada’s protracted effort to buy 88 new fighter jets hit a new delay on Tuesday when the government granted potential bidders another three months to submit their proposals.

    Governments of various stripes have been trying for well over a decade to replace a fleet of ageing Boeing Co CF-18 jets, some of which are more than 40 years old. Last July, Ottawa launched the competition for a contract worth between C$15 billion ($11.30 billion) and C$19 billion.

    The deadline for submitting preliminary proposals had been end-March. But the Liberal government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said that at the industry’s request, the deadline had been pushed back to June 30 to give bidders more time to address security questions.

    In 2017, Canada announced it would buy a fleet of older Australian F-18 jets to help keep the air force operational until the new planes start arriving in 2025.

    “Here we go again with more Liberal dithering and delaying because of Trudeau’s weak leadership. Meanwhile our air force is stuck with old rusted out fighters from Australia!” tweeted legislator James Bezan of the official opposition Conservatives.

    The main contenders are Lockheed Martin Corp and Boeing, while Sweden’s Saab AB is also participating. Last August Airbus SE withdrew, citing onerous security requirements.

    The office of Procurement Minister Anita Anand said the government had outlined what security steps contenders needed to take to ensure their planes could operate with allies.

    European jets must meet stringent standards required by the United States, which with Canada operates the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

    Canada has experienced many military procurement problems since the early 1990s, variously featuring search and rescue helicopters, trucks, close combat vehicles and submarines.

    David Perry, a defense analyst at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute think tank, said Ottawa routinely extended time lines to ensure useful feedback from potential suppliers.

    “This is a project where they have been progressively adding time for well over a decade,” he said by phone. “The net result is that they keep pushing back (the time) when they will actually get new aircraft.”

    Airbus and other contenders had complained Ottawa appeared to be tilting the race in favor of Lockheed Martin’s F-35 plane, which the Royal Canadian Air Force wants. Canada is part of the consortium that developed the plane.

    None of the three contenders was immediately available for comment.

    Canada has been working for nearly a decade to buy much needed new fighter jets for the military.

    A winning bidder is be chosen in 2022. The first aircraft would be delivered by 2025, according to the government’s schedule with the last in 2032.

    Technical merit will make up the bulk of the assessment at 60 per cent. Cost and economic benefits companies can provide to Canada will each be worth 20 per cent.

    The Conservative government had previously selected the F-35 as the air force’s new jet, but backed away from that plan after concerns about the technology and growing cost.

    During the 2015 election campaign, Justin Trudeau vowed that his government would never purchase the F-35. But at the same time, Trudeau stated his government would hold an open competition for the fighter purchase which it held off doing until last July 2019 at the end of his first term.

    In the meantime, the government is spending an estimated extra $3.8 billion to extend the lives of the CF-18s and buy 18 secondhand jets from Australia that will fly for the Air Force until the last of the new fighters hopefully arrives in 2032.



    I live among lots of sheeple and dim witted who like to think they are good Canadians for voting Lieberal

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    We're broke. If I was a defense contractor, Id ask us for cash...up front....in US dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksmithden View Post
    We're broke.
    Canada maybe somewhat broken, but it's really hard for a country to actually run out of credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    Canada maybe somewhat broken, but it's really hard for a country to actually run out of credit.
    Venezuela found a way without too much effort!
    I live among lots of sheeple and dim witted who like to think they are good Canadians for voting Lieberal

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    Canada maybe somewhat broken, but it's really hard for a country to actually run out of credit.


    That was typically true, when we were extracting natural resources... Now that a mob-led moratorium exists... Yeah, no, running out is imminent.
    And yet, after nearly 10 years of government by Stephen Harper and his anti-choice army, you can still get an abortion in Canada. At this point, the political right’s agenda is so well hidden Sherlock Holmes couldn’t find it with a Huawei P30 powered by a trillion Watsons.

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    Maybe we can get a deal on su33's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smc View Post
    Maybe we can get a deal on su33's?
    I was thinking some old Korean War vintage Mig 15's.
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    F4U Corsairs would be cool and likely just as effective as 50+ year old Hornets against any advanced threat by the time new jets start arriving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smc View Post
    Maybe we can get a deal on su33's?
    We can only afford T33's.

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