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    Quote Originally Posted by kennymo View Post
    This is more a small target at distance thing. Think coyotes at 30-40 yards, or turkey hunting. At that distance there are (in theory) significantly larger gaps in a 9 ball (00) pattern than a 27 ball (4B) pattern. Extra pellets increase the odds that something vital will get schwacked, like a coyote chest cavity.

    At defensive ranges, pellet count is significantly less of a factor.
    The problem w this reasoning is the smaller balls will carry much less energy and penetration at the longer ranges. Smaller balls may have more potential for hits but will those hits have any serious effect? Bigger balls may reduce the potential for hits but the hits made will be much more significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksmithden View Post
    I cant remember the wad numbers. White Winchester if that helps. Put in 22 grains of Unique, stuff in the wad, drop em in and let the smoke fly.
    The WAA12R are white and they are designed for 1 3/8oz of shot, which is why they are used for buckshot.

    My question is:

    With 0-buck I am loading rows of 3 but for the first two rows I have to push the third ball down in order for it to produce a flat row. With even bigger 00-buck, I am wondering if they will be able to be loaded in rows of three or if the rows are gonna end up slanted because 3 balls won't lie flat in the bottom of the wad? If not then I doubt I'd be able to get all 12 balls into the shell.

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    WAA12R wads are red and are intended for heavy field loads with a shorter crush section. The WAA12 wad is white and is intended for target loads. It has a longer crush section to get the stack height correct with the lower payloads and powder charges
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suputin View Post
    The problem w this reasoning is the smaller balls will carry much less energy and penetration at the longer ranges. Smaller balls may have more potential for hits but will those hits have any serious effect? Bigger balls may reduce the potential for hits but the hits made will be much more significant.
    I’ve never paired buckshot and coyotes personally. The heavier shot will definitely retain energy/velocity better. I’ve been perusing some articles out of curiosity, the going theory from some of the predator hunters seems to be that the #4 patterns better than the larger buckshot when run through a choke. Coyote killing energy out to around 50 yards with the #4 with a good amount of pellets hitting the animal. Some guys are claiming as much as 100 yards, but I’d put something like that up to luck or bullshit.

    Times like this, I miss Foxer. He used to have a few threads going on exactly this sort of topic and practical-ish testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kennymo View Post
    Times like this, I miss Foxer. He used to have a few threads going on exactly this sort of topic and practical-ish testing.
    He might even start a thread on parrot defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rory McCanuck View Post
    An ounce or more of lead is going to let a lot of light in, regardless if it's little balls or big.
    At home defence ranges (10 ft or less) definitely.
    #4 birdshot will be the same as .4 buckshot.
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    I found this a while ago trying to explain shotguns to gamer kids, might help

    http://www.brassfetcher.com/Shotguns.../Buckshot.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by R&R Rancher View Post
    WAA12R wads are red and are intended for heavy field loads with a shorter crush section. The WAA12 wad is white and is intended for target loads. It has a longer crush section to get the stack height correct with the lower payloads and powder charges
    Crap, you are right. Sorry, I went through a process of getting hold of the correct wads and ended up with WAA12 at first so I just remember having white wads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suputin View Post
    The WAA12R are white and they are designed for 1 3/8oz of shot, which is why they are used for buckshot.

    My question is:

    With 0-buck I am loading rows of 3 but for the first two rows I have to push the third ball down in order for it to produce a flat row. With even bigger 00-buck, I am wondering if they will be able to be loaded in rows of three or if the rows are gonna end up slanted because 3 balls won't lie flat in the bottom of the wad? If not then I doubt I'd be able to get all 12 balls into the shell.
    I load up 8 - 00 buck pellets in each shell with those wads, 2 x 2 x 2 x 2. I use them for Lee "key drive" slugs as well, although, you can see them tumbling when you're looking straight down the trajectory path through a spotting scope at 100 yards. They aren't the most accurate things in the world for sure. I keep kicking myself for not buying a rifled barrel for my 870 when Wholesale Sports was still open. Sooner or later I'll pick up one of those "pellet" shaped slug molds and give that a whirl.

    Oh...and no, I don't cut off the petals when I'm loading slugs. Somebody suggested it to me a long time ago to improve accuracy. I never detected the slightest difference so I don't bother going to the extra work.
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    White wads, bigger balls,deeper penetration, this sounds like a porn thread.


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