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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    Comparisons to the flu are just plain wrong. They miss key points.

    1) this is in addition to the flu (and everything else you want to compare it to)
    2) if left to spread unchecked it causes a great inundation of our hospitals of with very sick COVID-19 people; I'm not even talking about ICU here which it also takes up
    3) said inundation of the hospitals causes all manner of other deaths due to lack of capacity
    4) if you think this is nothing look at Spain and Italy; that's not fake news; nurses/doctors in Italy crying because of how many they could not save
    5) there are vaccines for the flu; they're not perfect but they keep it in check and to a manageable point; this circles back to #1 which is COVID-19 is in addition to that which could (has in many other countries) overwhelm our hospitals

    Yes government is incompetent.
    Yes the LPC have done things/said things/not acted/acted too late because of politics

    There is a great fallacy around that the young need not worry. Well some young who get it are dying, but many young who get it are being hospitalized. Their hospitalization will likely result in their survival. Someone else will die though because they've taken up a bed or a ventilator or whatever.

    Stop comparing this to the flu and minimizing it. It is way more complicated than just number of infected and number of deaths directly related to infections.
    Another thing often overlooked about trying to compare the Chinese Wuhoo Bat virus (CWBV) to the Flu is that there really is no comparison, the death rate for influenza in Canada is only about 500 to 1500 cases per year. To date this season, only 560 influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by participating provinces and territories which is minor compared to what the CWBV is going to do.

    Last flu season there were only 3,657 influenza-associated hospitalizations and 223 deaths in Canada.




    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...4-2019.html#a6

    https://ipac-canada.org/influenza-resources.php

    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...ry-4-2020.html

    https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...This-Year.html
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    Chinese Wuhoo bat virus. I like it!
    Pew pew pew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    Chinese Wuhoo bat virus. I like it!
    I heard Trump call it this and I stole it from him!
    I live among lots of sheeple and dim witted who like to think they are good Canadians for voting Lieberal

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1917 Enfield View Post
    Another thing often overlooked about trying to compare the Chinese Wuhoo Bat virus (CWBV) to the Flu is that there really is no comparison, the death rate for influenza in Canada is only about 500 to 1500 cases per year. To date this season, only 560 influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by participating provinces and territories which is minor compared to what the CWBV is going to do.

    Last flu season there were only 3,657 influenza-associated hospitalizations and 223 deaths in Canada.




    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...4-2019.html#a6

    https://ipac-canada.org/influenza-resources.php

    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...ry-4-2020.html

    https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...This-Year.html
    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...essionals.html

    The data on the 2018-2019 year doesn't match with this other government site that says 3500 deaths from regular influenza is typical.

    The pages you have linked are very specific week reports. Don't know how that can matter but there must be some reason for the descrepancy with your 223 deaths number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labradort View Post
    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...essionals.html

    The data on the 2018-2019 year doesn't match with this other government site that says 3500 deaths from regular influenza is typical.

    The pages you have linked are very specific week reports. Don't know how that can matter but there must be some reason for the descrepancy with your 223 deaths number.
    Even 3500 deaths a year out of a population of 33 million is nothing and hardly rates a mention. How many die from car accidents, drug abuse, doctor and hospital ineptitude, swimming pool accidents, heart disease, etc.. and the list goes on.

    The sites I link back up my quoted figures for the benefit of the doubting Thomas's out there.
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    Total, all causes of death [A00-Y89], 2018 : 283,000
    Influenza and pneumonia [J09-J18], 2018 : 8,511
    -- Statistics Canada. Table 13-10-0394-01 Leading causes of death, total population, by age group
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    Influenza due to identified zoonotic or pandemic influenza virus (Terminated) [J09] 0
    Influenza due to identified seasonal influenza virus [J10] 893
    Influenza with pneumonia, seasonal influenza virus identified [J10.0] 382
    Influenza with other respiratory manifestations, seasonal influenza virus identified [J10.1] 505
    Influenza with other manifestations, seasonal influenza virus identified [J10.8] 6
    Influenza, virus not identified [J11] 1,405
    Influenza with pneumonia, virus not identified [J11.0] 595
    Influenza with other respiratory manifestations, virus not identified [J11.1] 799
    Influenza with other manifestations, virus not identified [J11.8] 11
    Viral pneumonia, not elsewhere classified [J12] 71
    Adenoviral pneumonia [J12.0] 2
    Respiratory syncytial virus pneumonia [J12.1] 27
    Parainfluenza virus pneumonia [J12.2] 4
    Human metapneumovirus pneumonia [J12.3] 6
    Other viral pneumonia [J12.8] 1
    Viral pneumonia, unspecified [J12.9] 31
    Pneumonia due to Streptococcus pneumoniae [J13] 14
    Pneumonia due to Haemophilus influenzae [J14] 6
    Bacterial pneumonia, not elsewhere classified [J15] 158
    Pneumonia due to Klebsiella pneumoniae [J15.0] 1
    Pneumonia due to Pseudomonas [J15.1] 7
    Pneumonia due to staphylococcus [J15.2] 33
    Pneumonia due to streptococcus, group B [J15.3] 3
    Pneumonia due to other streptococci [J15.4] 34
    Pneumonia due to Escherichia coli [J15.5] 6
    Pneumonia due to other aerobic Gram-negative bacteria [J15.6] 5
    Pneumonia due to Mycoplasma pneumoniae [J15.7] 0
    Other bacterial pneumonia [J15.8] 2
    Bacterial pneumonia, unspecified [J15.9] 67
    Pneumonia due to other infectious organisms, not elsewhere classified [J16] 2
    Pneumonia due to other specified infectious organisms [J16.8] 2
    Pneumonia, organism unspecified [J18] 5,962
    Bronchopneumonia, unspecified [J18.0] 143
    Lobar pneumonia, unspecified [J18.1] 173
    Hypostatic pneumonia, unspecified [J18.2] 29
    Other pneumonia, organism unspecified [J18.8] 0
    Pneumonia, unspecified [J18.9] 5,617

    -- Statistics Canada. Table 13-10-0782-01 Deaths, by cause, Chapter X: Diseases of the respiratory system (J00 to J99)
    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1310078201

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    RangeBob, quite often I appreciate your posts, but can't bring myself to like them due to the content.
    The post above is one of those cases.
    Thanks
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    My new favorite name I heard tonight. ... CCP Flu-galoo !!
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    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

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