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    Normally I would make a comment about fighting each other but the target deserves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyCuda View Post
    Normally I would make a comment about fighting each other but the target deserves it.
    Sad that they never pick a "target"or a "fight" in the real world that might save their sport.
    Nobody important will ever hear what they have to say.
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    Sad that you can't back up all that holier-than-thou talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    Sad that they never pick a "target"or a "fight" in the real world that might save their sport.
    Nobody important will ever hear what they have to say.
    It’s not a sport. Get that through your thick skull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyCuda View Post
    It’s not a sport. Get that through your thick skull.
    It's also a sport.


    Hunting deer with wire snares is considered cruel. So it's needed for hunting.
    Poisoning predators kills everything else, predator control is surgical with a firearm.
    Lots of Canadians have permits to use them for self defence against human and animal threats. (mostly security guards and wilderness trappers), and every once in a while a child is saved from a mountain lion (or such) by a neighbour or relative with a gun.
    etc.

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    I was re-reading "Firearm Control in Canada 1867-1945" yesterday,

    “Still, the traditional, upright image [of the Mounted Police] continues to resonate, . . . It seems to stand for something deep in the Canadian character. It has
    become dissociated from the actual history of the force and stands alone as a symbol of how Canadians like to see themselves: honest, brave, modest, law-abiding, polite. The image of the Mountie is a fabrication, which does not mean that it is untrue, just that its ‘truth’ is psychological, not historical. In this sense, the ‘Mountie’ has become wholly imaginary, a source of pride and identity which provides a pattern to our history and affirms values which all Canadians are presumed to share.
    Over the years, the imaginary Mountie has been very useful to authorities. With the support of the press and much of the public, governments have consistently invoked the image to protect the Canadian ‘way of life.’ As a frontier police force, the Riders of the Plains prepared the western interior for ‘civilized’ occupation. As a urban police force, the RCMP rooted out subversion and spied on political nonconformists.
    The benign image of the Boy Scout Mountie was the velvet glove in which the iron hand of the state wielded its power.”
    - Francis 1997: 50-51. "National Dreams: Myth, Memory and Canadian History", by Daniel Francis

    I'll tie that in with

    In fact, the Mounties came to establish law and order before many settlers arrived. From the earliest days of the Canadian west, the Mounties discouraged the eastern settlers from carrying handguns. By effectively providing for the security of the settlers, the Mounties obviated the need for defensive weaponry. Although some Americans urged the creation of an American "Mountie" force for the frontier, western communities resisted it as an encroachment by military rule on local autonomy.

    A man on a saddle with rifle and revolver symbolized the West in both nations. Canada's character was the government Mountie, and America's the independent cowboy. Indeed, The Lone Ranger would have been an outlaw in Canada, since 19th century law forbade carrying a firearm while "masked or disguised." Toronto Professor John Hagan contrasts the Mountie with another American symbol, the eagle, "a fiercely independent animal prone to outbursts of violence."

    Symbols such as Mounties, cowboys, and eagles reflect and create social reality. So do constitutions. Professor Friedland contrasts the American Constitution, with its right to keep and bear arms, and the Canadian constitution, which simply provides for "peace, order and good government," and signifies obedience to authority.

    In short, Canadians have faith in government power in a way that Americans do not. Their gun laws are merely one aspect of the Canadian system of relying on the government to take care of everyone's welfare -- in contrast to the American system, where many citizens distrust government power, and insist that they possess the means to protect themselves.

    -- "The Failure of Canadian Gun Control" (1989), by Dave Kopel


    How much of the 'most canadians oppose gun ownership' is based on decades of faith in the RCMP planting a seed; a seed/weed that has taken root and no longer needs the RCMP image to prop it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyCuda View Post
    It’s not a sport. Get that through your thick skull.
    Yea, me go hunting, me want MEAT!
    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    In short, Canadians have faith in government power in a way that Americans do not. Their gun laws are merely one aspect of the Canadian system of relying on the government to take care of everyone's welfare -- in contrast to the American system, where many citizens distrust government power, and insist that they possess the means to protect themselves.
    Hindsight is 20/20 but truer words were never spoken.
    It's very apparent with another trudeau running amuck which philosophy was right.
    Canadians have become lazy and complacent like a bunch of bleating sheep waiting for a series of socialist governments over the years to fill the feed trough.
    Now trudeau the judas sheep is leading them to the slaughter and they're too stupid to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    It's also a sport.
    Unfortunately NOT if you can no longer legally possess the gun in the field (surrendered, confiscated or locked in a safe as a grandfathered prohib).
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