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    Is A Plastic Gun Case Legal For Storage/Transport In Canada? - Ian Runkle video

    It was a provincial court decision, so it might not stand up as president in your province, but it's something to go on.


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    The options for a transport case would be pretty limited if they outlawed plastic cases . Even the city police here carry their ARs in a plastic case in the trunks of their cars ; plus we all remember this case......


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    Calgary police officer with 'pattern' of negligence demoted after rifle stolen from car

    Cst. Stephan Baker is now a third class constable
    Meghan Grant · CBC News · Posted: Nov 22, 2016 12:17 PM MT | Last Updated: November 22, 2016

    Despite being 'well aware' of CPS policies, Cst. Stephen Baker left a C8 rifle on the back seat of his vehicle in a parking lot. (CBC)
    When a police-issued C8 rifle was stolen from the personal vehicle of Cst. Stephan Baker, the Calgary police officer was already under investigation for negligence, CBC News has learned.

    He has recently been demoted after pleading guilty to misconduct, police disciplinary documents show.

    In April 2015, Baker ignored all CPS policies when he took the rifle and left it in his car — despite admitting he was "well aware" of the transportation and storage policies.


    At that time, the five-year officer had been assigned to desk duty for four months, facing six charges of negligence of duty for incomplete reports and evidence found in his duty bag.

    "He courted disaster and found it in spades," wrote Supt. Paul Manuel in Baker's penalty, obtained by CBC News.

    Calgary police officer whose rifle was stolen from car will not be charged

    Baker was cleared of criminal conduct, but pleaded guilty to three counts of misconduct under the Police Act, including discreditable conduct, insubordination, and improper use of a firearm.

    "The primary issue here is Cst. Baker's dismal effort to exercise reasonable judgement," said Manuel, who presided over Baker's disciplinary hearing.

    "It was only due to the excellent police work of the investigators that we didn't find out what could have happened."


    After his shift on April 5, 2015, Baker — whose father is also a police officer — drove to Schanks Sports Grill to have dinner with his sister, who was visiting from Edmonton.

    He left the rifle and two high capacity magazines with ammunition on the back seat of his Subaru, along with a bag containing five police notebooks.

    Baker covered the case with his motorcycle jacket.

    When he returned to his car around 11:15 p.m., Baker discovered it had been broken into, and the weapon and notebooks were gone.


    Calgary police released this photo taken from CCTV footage of the theft of the rifle. (Calgary Police Service)
    'Large mistake on my part'
    After notifying his district sergeant, Baker said he began looking around the area and asked Schanks about CCTV video.

    Investigating officers were told by Baker that he wanted to clean the weapon at his home and "run through drills" despite being on desk duty.


    He said he thought it would be a good idea because there had been two recent officer-involved shootings.

    Baker admitted leaving the rifle in his car was a "very high risk, dangerous thing to do," but said he did it anyway. He also acknowledged he did not have permission to have the rifle in his possession.

    "Honestly, it was a large mistake on my part," Baker said in his testimony. "I made a mistake, it was an error in judgement, I should have left it at the office."

    But it wasn't the first time Baker had taken the rifle home. He testified that he had been taking it to his house on a daily basis for four or five days.

    "My primary concern was that my stupidity would have led to that weapon being used on a member of the public or one of my coworkers," said Baker in his testimony.

    'Pattern' of negligence
    Investigators with the guns and gangs unit recovered the weapon and notebooks.


    Testimony from a detective in that unit was redacted in the document, but Baker was found to have a "repeated pattern" of negligent behaviour.

    CPS firearms trainer Cst. Kevin Brandner testified that when the C8 rifle is signed out, it is to be stored in the trunk of a patrol car — never at home or in a personal vehicle.

    Brandner said this was the first time he'd ever heard of that weapon being in a personal vehicle.

    'Recognize your shortcomings'
    Baker's actions not only had a "huge financial cost" for CPS, but the national news coverage resulted in damage to the reputation of CPS, the penalty document noted.

    A joint recommendation was made to reduce Baker's rank from constable first class to constable third class.

    "It is obvious that being a police officer is very important to him," wrote Manuel. "Recognize your shortcomings and work with them."

    The demotion is a monetary loss of $22,000 per year before taxes.

    In two years, he can return to his rank of first class constable.

    If Baker keeps a clean record for five years, all record of discipline and misconduct will be removed from his file.
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    Stand up as what?
    The Criminal Code is, in this case, decidedly clear as to what is OK for transporting firearms. As long as your plastic case is opaque, you're legal.
    "..."rifle stolen from car..." Cops regular have firearms stolen from cars here. Difference is they do not face any kind of charge. Your cop was already under investigation for negligence. It's what happens when you hire somebody based on their degree and possibly their gender, instead of their ability to do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice View Post
    Stand up as what?
    The Criminal Code is, in this case, decidedly clear as to what is OK for transporting firearms. As long as your plastic case is opaque, you're legal.
    "..."rifle stolen from car..." Cops regular have firearms stolen from cars here. Difference is they do not face any kind of charge. Your cop was already under investigation for negligence. It's what happens when you hire somebody based on their degree and possibly their gender, instead of their ability to do the job.
    So he was hired because he was a male? Affirmative gender hire?

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    Jesus... 42 minutes to answer "Is a plastic gun case legal for Storage/Transport"...

    The fact that people even have to ask AND that it takes 42 minutes to answer... is just sad...
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    Give your family tree a good shake and see if you have any dual citizenship that you can use to GTFO of this crazy quack s***hole country!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe6167 View Post
    Jesus... 42 minutes to answer "Is a plastic gun case legal for Storage/Transport"...

    The fact that people even have to ask AND that it takes 42 minutes to answer... is just sad...
    This country needs an enema!

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    A friend of a friend of a ghost used to transport his pistols in this little pistol safe. It had to have weighed 50 pounds. I could only laugh. What a world.

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