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    The only Conservative government that has ever changed or repealed any firearms legislation was Harper ending the long gun registry. Otherwise, there have been none.
    "...If the Firearms Act is repealed, the provinces will..." Nope. Firearms legislation is strictly Federal as it's in the CC of C. The Provinces cannot change Federal law. Mind you, Trudeau the Elder's constitution lets 'em ignore any Federal law they don't like and ignore anything the SC of C decides.
    In any case, the biggest issue with the FA is that it's based on French Common Law, not English and the number of clearly blatant Charter of Rights violations in it.
    It's also far more important that the property rights deliberately left out of Trudeau the Elder's constitution are written into the Constitution.
    "...to protect life..." In the late 80's, that was the first reason one could have for owning a restricted firearm. Not that you'd ever have gotten the permit giving that reason.
    "...destroys his retirement investment..." Firearms are a lousy investment. Very few, other than milsurps, ever increase enough in value to even be considered an investment.

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    One should note that, if I recall correctly, the repeal of the LGR was preceded by Harper’s firearms advisory committee advising repeal of prohibition.

    Sadly, that repeal was followed by little more than some wrenched shoulders in the recreational firearms community.

    Patting oneself on the back is of little value.
    Gun Control is about making it unlawful for you to use, carry, or possess a firearm.

    All restrictions/prohibitions on the use, carriage, or possession of firearms must be repealed.

    Middle ground?

    What middle ground?

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    I think Harper fired and replaced some "radical elements" on his firearms advisory committee around the same time.
    Guess they didn't grasp the hard political fact that most campaign promises are bullsh!t ... politics 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    I think Harper fired and replaced some "radical elements" on his firearms advisory committee around the same time.
    Guess they didn't grasp the hard political fact that most campaign promises are bullsh!t ... politics 101.
    As I recall it, those radical elements are the ones who pushed repeal of prohibition.

    Yes, they were fired.

    What wasn’t grasped, by many, was that demand for repeal begets repeal, albeit not necessarily the repeal demanded.

    However, after achieving a repeal, one must gratefully accept it - then double down on the initial demand.

    Demanding repeal of the whole shebang gives the most room possible for the next repeal.
    Gun Control is about making it unlawful for you to use, carry, or possess a firearm.

    All restrictions/prohibitions on the use, carriage, or possession of firearms must be repealed.

    Middle ground?

    What middle ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice View Post
    In any case, the biggest issue with the FA is that it's based on French Common Law, not English and the number of clearly blatant Charter of Rights violations in it.
    ... it's not surprising then that the Province of Quebec and 4 PMs hailing from that province (Trudeau Sr, Mulroney, Chretien, Trudeau Jr) have been shoving draconian gun control down our collective throats for 50 years. The same province incidentally that cried out against a sex offender registry for pedophile scumbags went to court to register the guns of honest law abiding Canadians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW .45 View Post
    As I recall it, those radical elements are the ones who pushed repeal of prohibition.

    Yes, they were fired.

    What wasnít grasped, by many, was that demand for repeal begets repeal, albeit not necessarily the repeal demanded.

    However, after achieving a repeal, one must gratefully accept it - then double down on the initial demand.

    Demanding repeal of the whole shebang gives the most room possible for the next repeal.
    Sort of makes the point about the idiocy of demanding repeal. Most gun-friendly government in my memory and the radical elements advising the government got the boot when they "doubled down" and went too far. Lesson learned for some of us at least.

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    ... hate to admit the guy is right ... BUT HE'S RIGHT

    The battle was lost in the hearts and minds of Canadians (before it was lost in Parliament and the legislatures) more than 30 years ago by the incessant anti-gun propaganda from the growing throng of the political left and their media allies politically spearheaded by PQ and 4 anti-gun PMs (Trudeau sr, Mulroney, Chretien, Trudeau jr). Canadians by nature are more akin to their UK counterparts and are more trusting of and obedient to authority than their American "cousins" so pulling the wool over their eyes and stealing their freedom (and property) was relatively easy.

    In the United States it's about 50/50. Americans by nature are more independent minded and do not trust authority but the red media is having its effect (the media just defeated a pro-gun president). There's still a chance for American gun owners to win but they're going to have a fight on their hands.

    Expect Biden et al to go all out to destroy 2A and it's biggest proponent and defender the NRA and other pro freedom orgs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Two For Sure View Post
    Sort of makes the point about the idiocy of demanding repeal. Most gun-friendly government in my memory and the radical elements advising the government got the boot when they "doubled down" and went too far. Lesson learned for some of us at least.
    A successful brainwashing campaign is when the "victims" are not aware that they have been brainwashed. The quoted post is a case in point. He is not only not free but HE HAS NO CONCEPT OF FREEDOM. Freedom/slavery is a state of mind. Psychological and spiritual confinement happens before any physical confinement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Two For Sure View Post
    Sort of makes the point about the idiocy of demanding repeal. Most gun-friendly government in my memory and the radical elements advising the government got the boot when they "doubled down" and went too far. Lesson learned for some of us at least.
    Fine. Then go sit in the corner and repeat your lesson over and over and try to look yourself in the mirror.

    The rest of us will continue to work for change. Without you.

    No loss, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebc View Post
    Fine. Then go sit in the corner and repeat your lesson over and over and try to look yourself in the mirror.

    The rest of us will continue to work for change. Without you.

    No loss, really.
    The lesson people can't seem to grasp is the danger of overreaching in your demands. If the result is losing access to the people who can actually make change then you end up being nothing more than cranky kooks on the outside who will achieve nothing.

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